Wanted: Miracle Man comics

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:27 pm

Anyone have any extra or copies of Eclipse's Miracle Man that they no longer want or are willing to sell ? Wasnt going to go after these but dammit, they ARE in the Eclipse line. I have a couple issues here and there so I figure.... why not.

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:15 pm

If you're intrested I got an extra copy of Miracleman #2 and an artist signed and numbered version of #16 with CoA. If you're intrested PM me.

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:55 pm

I have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 9, 10, 13 (pretty beat-up), 16, 23

Apocrypha #1, 2

Miracleman Family 1

Miracleman 3-D #1

Looking to trade for a bunch of Continuity stuff or other trade.

Send me a list of some stuff you have for trade.

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:03 pm

I have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 9, 10, 13 (pretty beat-up), 16, 23

Apocrypha #1, 2

Miracleman Family 1

Miracleman 3-D #1

Looking to trade for a bunch of Continuity stuff or other trade.

Send me a list of some stuff you have for trade.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:40 pm

Bump

I did get Total Eclipse 2, 3, 4 and am looking for #1 if anyone has it.

I have looked at the offers of MiracleMan but quite honestly, I am not wanting to pay the prices that some of you guys want. I do have a few MiracleMan books myself an I got them out of the $.50 - $1.00 bin or at conventions because the guy had so many, heck I recently got a pristine copy of #15, got a great deal on it and gave it to Stu (for helping me out so much on stuff and he is a cool guy). I want these books but in no way am I willing to pay double digits for any of these books, they are just not worth it to me. If I had them as doubles, I tend to just give them away if someone needs them, 'guide price' not meaning a thing. I cant tell you how many Harby #1, #2 and #3s that I have given away.

I am not b!tching (too much) but gentlemen I promote helping each other out over anything. I mean if I was going to charge someon $2 for a book, geez I would just give it away as I probably have three of them of bought that one for $.50 cents hehhehehe. So, I am not blowing off the offers that I have been getting, I just dont want to go that route. Now as far as trading, I am so up for that... my DU extras are growing (as well as Punisher issues). Now that I am back home I have access to these extras (well in between Halo 3, some boom boom and sorting my already huge mess of comics in my bedroom that earns me some very dirty glares from my Kitchen Sergeant Major).

Have you guys actually READ MiracleMan... some of the worst reads IMO EVER !!! I didnt even GET to #15 (I have the books in digital form... sue me).

Personally I cannot wait to get to Aztec Ace, DNAgents and Scout (which I just picked up Scout: Warrior Shaman 1-14 for $.20 cents a piece thank you very much). Even Air Boy looks like a good read... especially against MiracleMan.

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:58 pm

Knightt wrote:

Have you guys actually READ MiracleMan... some of the worst reads IMO EVER !!!

Yeah, most of the Alan Moore issues were pretty terrible. The concept is great, but it's executed terribly. Chuck Austen's art is terrible and I really don't understand a lot of the elements Moore chose to clutter this series up with.

That being said, most of Olympus is pretty good, and "The Golden Age" by Neil Gaiman and Mark Buckingham is one of the most brilliant things I've ever read. Blows my mind every time I read it.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:20 pm

Is this Eclipse material ?

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:52 pm

Yep. Olympus was issues 10 through 16. It's good, but not nearly as good as "The Golden Age" which was issues 17 through 22.

The "Apocrypha" miniseries was top notch as well.

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:52 am

Tim Petty wrote:
Knightt wrote:

Have you guys actually READ MiracleMan... some of the worst reads IMO EVER !!!
Yeah, most of the Alan Moore issues were pretty terrible. The concept is great, but it's executed terribly. Chuck Austen's art is terrible and I really don't understand a lot of the elements Moore chose to clutter this series up with.

That being said, most of Olympus is pretty good, and "The Golden Age" by Neil Gaiman and Mark Buckingham is one of the most brilliant things I've ever read. Blows my mind every time I read it.

Are you two nuts?

The Alan Moore stories of Miracleman is the BEST super-hero story ever written! The Neil Gaiman stories are good but no where as good as Moore's run.

A lot of the so-called "clutter" you find with it could be due to the fact that Eclipse was publishing a British serial which only ran about 10 pages in Warrior and also That Eclipse published them in full color (whereas
the Warrior strips were in B&W).

I love the fact that Moore got more characterization in 10 pages than most other writers could get in 24 issues (I just re-read Warren Ellis' run on Stormwatch vols 1 and 2 and they're really bad). Granted Chuck Austin's art was not very good but it only lasted two issues before he quit.

Knightt, the simple truth is Alan Moore doesn't write action stories he writes character-based stories, when the action or violence comes he writes it swift and brutal like in real life just like in Watchmen an V for Vendetta. If you don't like it don't read it.

My copy of Miracleman #16 is signed and numbered by the artist and it's price is fixed.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:54 pm

Cyberstrike wrote:The Alan Moore stories of Miracleman is the BEST super-hero story ever written! The Neil Gaiman stories are good but no where as good as Moore's run.

While I appreciate your passion for what YOU feel to be the best super-hero story ever written. Please do not speak as if this is a fact and that I am a moron. You like them, I don't... too easy. Why are you attacking me ?

If you don't like it don't read it.

Where is THAT hostility coming from ? You really don't have to defend Miracleman comics from me. I simply found the stories to be long drawn out, drawn poorly and I could not give a rat's *SQUEE* about the character and with the ultra-violence that occurs in #15... to me, it was a hook to get comic book readers a shock and awe book to read. Which is fine but 'to me', it didn't make me want to do cartwheels or anything.

Again, I appreciate your passion but please do not tell me what the best super-hero story ever written was... you do not have that ability. And please believe me, there is NO VENOM in this post but you simply cannot make a statement like that and have it hold water because of one word... 'subjectivity'. You like what you like and I like what I like. Heck, I could stand up and say that Planet Hulk was the best super-hero story ever, ever, EVER written and it will never, EVER be topped.... but that statement holds no water.

Now to say "I THINK that the Alan Moore stories of Miracleman is the BEST super-hero story ever written! The Neil Gaiman stories are good but no where as good as Moore's run." Then we can chat about it for a while.... what did you like, what didn't you like, was it the art etc etc. But to call me 'nuts' because I don't like the same story that you do ? I am disappointed in the what you wrote, man.

When I wrote this:

Knightt wrote:Have you guys actually READ MiracleMan... some of the worst reads IMO EVER !!!

The IMO stands for In My Opinion... I just don't say it and call it truth.

Have your passion, good to have passion ya know ? But you cannot make such a generalized statement and call me nuts in the same breath.

Knightt, the simple truth is Alan Moore doesn't write action stories he writes character-based stories, when the action or violence comes he writes it swift and brutal like in real life just like in Watchmen an V for Vendetta. If you don't like it don't read it.

I don't feel I deserved that... unless I have offended you in some way and if that is the case, we can take it to PM or a phone call.

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:22 pm

Cyberstrike wrote: Are you two nuts?

Yes.

Cyberstrike wrote: The Alan Moore stories of Miracleman is the BEST super-hero story ever written! The Neil Gaiman stories are good but no where as good as Moore's run.

The concepts that Alan Moore explored in this series had so much potential that Miracleman could have been the best superhero story ever written. There are moments in his run that absolutely blow my mind:

- The transition of the reprint material from the first issue into the new material with the zoom-in on the eyewas brilliant and really sey the tone for the series.. Actually most of "A Dream of Flying" was pretty good to be honest, but there are moments like the "I'm Miracleman....I'm back!" part for one, that are just total cheese and a terrible waste of a panel.

The text piece at the beginning of #16 was one of the most beautiful and poetic things I have ever read, and that issue is the single best part of "Olympus" hands down. Absolutely mind-blowing.

- The brutality is well done and tasteful throughout the series for the most part. MM killing Gargunza was very powerful. Bates killing the nurse that had been kind to him in such a brutal way really did a lot to develop the character even pages before he was killed. It showed that Kid Miracleman was incapable of anything but evil..

Just a few things that I really love about the series.

However...

- "Red King Syndrome" with the exception of the last chapter was TERRIBLE and I feel like it was a colossal waste of time. The character of Evelyn Cream served no purpose whatsoever and the whole story just loses me. Alan Moore is capable of so much more than this.

- The Firedrake and the aliens are clutter. Pointless. Gaiman redeemed them in "The Golden Age" but I don't see what Moore was trying to say with them.

- A lot of pretentious "trying-to-be-deep-but-not-really-deep" moments throughout the entire series that are too numerous to name.

Cyberstrike wrote: A lot of the so-called "clutter" you find with it could be due to the fact that Eclipse was publishing a British serial which only ran about 10 pages in Warrior and also That Eclipse published them in full color (whereas
the Warrior strips were in B&W).

I don't see your point here.

Cyberstrike wrote: I love the fact that Moore got more characterization in 10 pages than most other writers could get in 24 issues (I just re-read Warren Ellis' run on Stormwatch vols 1 and 2 and they're really bad). Granted Chuck Austin's art was not very good but it only lasted two issues before he quit.

Moore characterized Miracledog more than he did the title character. Miracleman / Mike Moran is the character that I know the least about. And he's also the character in the book I care the least about.

Cyberstrike wrote:
Knightt, the simple truth is Alan Moore doesn't write action stories he writes character-based stories, when the action or violence comes he writes it swift and brutal like in real life just like in Watchmen an V for Vendetta.

Here's where you become a snob. I know Miracleman isn't an action story. Gotcha.

When somebody doesn't like a work of complicated fiction it doesn't necessarily mean that they don't understand it, ok?

I read "Miracleman". I get "Miracleman". I like a great deal of "Miracleman" and I know what Alan Moore was trying to say with this series. But there's a lot about it that I don't like and in my opinion it is NOT the best superhero story ever written. I don't even think it's the best superhero story Alan Moore has written.

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:05 pm

Knightt wrote:
Cyberstrike wrote:The Alan Moore stories of Miracleman is the BEST super-hero story ever written! The Neil Gaiman stories are good but no where as good as Moore's run.
While I appreciate your passion for what YOU feel to be the best super-hero story ever written. Please do not speak as if this is a fact and that I am a moron. You like them, I don't... too easy. Why are you attacking me ?

If you don't like it don't read it.
Where is THAT hostility coming from ? You really don't have to defend Miracleman comics from me. I simply found the stories to be long drawn out, drawn poorly and I could not give a rat's *SQUEE* about the character and with the ultra-violence that occurs in #15... to me, it was a hook to get comic book readers a shock and awe book to read. Which is fine but 'to me', it didn't make me want to do cartwheels or anything.

Again, I appreciate your passion but please do not tell me what the best super-hero story ever written was... you do not have that ability. And please believe me, there is NO VENOM in this post but you simply cannot make a statement like that and have it hold water because of one word... 'subjectivity'. You like what you like and I like what I like. Heck, I could stand up and say that Planet Hulk was the best super-hero story ever, ever, EVER written and it will never, EVER be topped.... but that statement holds no water.

Now to say "I THINK that the Alan Moore stories of Miracleman is the BEST super-hero story ever written! The Neil Gaiman stories are good but no where as good as Moore's run." Then we can chat about it for a while.... what did you like, what didn't you like, was it the art etc etc. But to call me 'nuts' because I don't like the same story that you do ? I am disappointed in the what you wrote, man.

First off if I attacked you believe me you would know it. Also having a migraine headache for the last 2 days hasn't put me in the best of moods.

Second I do like and respect you but don't think for one minute that I won't disagree with you with a passion, now NO WHERE, did I post anything that was meant to be attacking you. I simply stated my opinions
on it, I stated them bluntly and too the point which is my style (and when one has headache that makes you want to scream for the better part of the day I tend to leave my sence of humor in bed) when I posted that I didn't want to beat around bush.

Now I think that Miracleman is one of the greatest comics every done. Some people agree with my opinion and some don't.

But IMHO I just think it's stupid to buy a book that you don't like.
The reason why I think it's stupid is simple: I'm on extremely tight budget
so I don't have a lot of money and buy a comic book, toy, video game, or
DVD that I don't enjoy is a waste of money. Money that I can spend on
things that I will enjoy.

cobra_commander · Post by **cobra_commander** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:23 pm

Anybody that doesn't like Alan Moore should be attacked. Violently and without remorse.

andrew · Post by **andrew** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:33 pm

That was strange how offended knight got. That's cool that you're so psyched on Miracleman, cyberstrike.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:41 pm

Cyberstrike wrote:But IMHO I just think it's stupid to buy a book that you don't like.
The reason why I think it's stupid is simple: I'm on extremely tight budget
so I don't have a lot of money and buy a comic book, toy, video game, or
DVD that I don't enjoy is a waste of money. Money that I can spend on
things that I will enjoy.

I am a completist.

As with my Valiant collection. I have Psi-Lords completed and I don't like the books. I have Dr. Mirage and don't like the books. I have Geomancer and totally hate the books. I have a complete common set of Valiants and all but ONE title didnt end like $hit... but I have them all.

You spend your money your way and I will spend my money my way.

I hope your migraine gets better. Excedrine makes a really good migraine line. If migrains are a problem, perhaps a doctor can perscribe Neurontin it does WONDERS for migraine headaches and I speak from experience as I take the stuff and have not had a serious migraine for six years and my number of headaches have went down significantly.

Do me a favor... don't post anything to me when you have a migraine, I like that dude who's sense of humor is not in bed.

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:41 pm

Knightt's been on a roll lately...

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:42 pm

andrew wrote:That was strange how offended knight got.

Yeah, strange aint it ?

Honestly, I thought Cyberstrike was offended... ergo the passion.

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:43 pm

Knightt wrote:I have a complete common set of Valiants and all but ONE title didnt end like $hit... but I have them all.

Outcast?

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:53 pm

Tim Petty wrote:
Knightt wrote:I have a complete common set of Valiants and all but ONE title didnt end like $hit... but I have them all.

Outcast?

OK OK... I stand corrected... IN MY OPINION, the #1 crap book in the Val.... wait wait.... how about Punx ?

But hey lets be careful, Tim... please dont let me think for a minute that you wont disagree with me with a passion.

I can think of better things to get up on my bandstand about... these are just comics. Who would win in a fight ? Iron Man or Titanium Man ? Well Iron Man of course !!! YOU'RE WRONG, YOU'RE AN IDIOT (slap to the head, elbow to the groin, boot to the head... thud. And thee winnnah IS... well nobody, right ? ) <----- note: use of emoticons is an indication of humor. Trying to make that frown turn whooooooooUUUUUUUUUUUUUPside down.

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:55 pm

Knightt wrote:
OK OK... I stand corrected... IN MY OPINION, the #1 crap book in the Val.... wait wait.... how about Punx ?

Well, at least I read TWO pages of Outcast before sliding it back in the bag and filing it. I didn't even pull the tape off of Punx.

cobra_commander · Post by **cobra_commander** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:57 pm

Knightt wrote:Trying to make that frown turn whooooooooUUUUUUUUUUUUUPside down.

go get 'em! we don't take kindly to migraines around here!!!

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:01 pm

BACK ON TOPIC THOUGH...

I do notice that there is relative movement of these comics on Ebay. They DO sell, thats for sure. All of mine I have picked up for a buck or less.

What really surprises me is how diverse Eclipse comics was... they were all over the spectrum from super-heroes, to detective stories, to super teams, to weird stuff, to just plain silly. I would like to 'try' and collect ALL of Eclipse but man, there is a lot to track down and definately some stuff that I KNOW that I will never read. So, I doubt I will ever 'get 'em all' but the ones that look halfway decent will have a chance ending up in my box....

The company was around for over TEN years and I am not sure how long they lasted but when I was growing up I NEVER saw these books anywhere... EVER. Where these LCS exclusive or just never saw the metal spinner racks at the grocery and drug stores when I was a young kid quite a few moons ago ?

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:04 pm

Tim Petty wrote:
Knightt wrote:
OK OK... I stand corrected... IN MY OPINION, the #1 crap book in the Val.... wait wait.... how about Punx ?
Well, at least I read TWO pages of Outcast before sliding it back in the bag and filing it. I didn't even pull the tape off of Punx.

I actually read Outcast twice because the first time around, I sat there with this 'WTF ?' look on my face. I thought that I had missed something because is 'seemed' like an important issue and ya never know, maybe it was supposed to be but Breyfogle's art didnt add to any seriousness to it.

Punx ? Never read it, probably never will... it is just taking up space.

Sorry.... back on topic again. LOL

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:06 pm

I think a lot of the Eclipse stuff wasn't distributed very well. Either that or their warehouse stock ended up in the Southeast, because I used to find GOBS of Miracleman stuff in quarter boxes around here. But I talk to people from the West Coast who NEVER see that stuff and are willing to pay big bucks.

That's what happened with a lot of Silver Age Marvels. Up until recently there was a big difference in the price you had to pay to get these based on your geography. Now that eBay has proliferated that's not so much the case anymore. Chuck Rozanski wrote an article about it, but I can't remember where I saw it.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:14 pm

That would make a lot of sense... the geographical portion, I mean. I grew up in Michigan and I only remember having Charleston, Marvel, DC and Atlas.

The LCS I went to with Elveen a while back had a BOATLOAD of Eclipse books. At 5 for a $1 buck I picked up some 'lets take a look' books. Some I just rolled my eyes and put it back into the bag.

Now I also collect selective Comico and Innovation books.... I NEVER saw or heard about those books until I got an Ebay shipment from Joe Kochcom and he always sends a freebie book or two. Well, he sent 'Next Man' from Comico.... I totally dug it. And here we are 4 short boxes later of Comico and Innovation... hahaha But that is my MO, ya know ?

"How do you get Knightt to collect a DU ?"

"Send one issue to him."

That rat bastich Stu, does it all the damn time.

Love that guy.