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valiantdude · Post by **valiantdude** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 9:35:29 pm

ok.. ive been following comics since early childhood and after a while you kinda start to notice patterns ; whos going to be a good writer, whos going to be a major character etc.
I've always felt this way about early valiants thats why i have so many

But there is another comic specifically that i really feel is going to be an incredible find its a secret ive held onto since like 1990 or whatever...when the book came out. Im going to tell everyone because i realize i dont care anymore, and i really think its going to be huge.
I remember thinking as a kid that this should be a valuable book because of what happens in it. The book is ....Nightwatch #1!...just kidding.
Seriously, ithought of this book today because i bought a wizard for the first time in years it has wolverine on the cover...anyways, it has this snippet about this new character that is supposedly wolverine's daughter. Now, in the book iwas talking about earlier, wolverine fights apocolypse in maybe the savage land or some remote island....its been awhile...anyways he gets it on with this hot amazon chick and they explain at the end of the book how the amazon became pregnant with Wolverine's child. I beleive the book is called "Wolverine: The Jungle adventure" it was a GN that had great art by mike mignola and like i stated earlier came out in the early 90's or late 80's (i was young). I think that when the xmen wtiters develop this character it will be a springboard from this story. Call it intuition but, ive always wondered about this book because of its shocking ending, inever understood why it wasn't popular but honestly i think this might be a huge sleeper, What do you guys think?

Valiant_1 · Post by **Valiant_1** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 9:49:35 pm

I remember that book, and it was a good read! The "love-child" of Wolverine has been a dangling plot-line for a while, I guess. I don't know if they'll (marvel) ever do anything with it, though.

valiantdude · Post by **valiantdude** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 9:57:26 pm

i think they are using this plotline now...does anyone else know anything about this?

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:02:49 am

It was 1989..and it was actually supposed to be 'Wolverine Annual #1'....that was the thought, anyways...it was an experiment in 'annual' format.

It's a good story, but ignored for the most part.

We'll see.

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:28:25 am

There's a character in NYX, who's supposed to be Wolverine's daughter, some chick with claws, I believe she has some code name like X-23 or something. I haven't been reading the book, but I know NYX #3 is a hot issue because it is her first appearance. I doubt if this character has anything to do with this "love child" you're talking about, but who knows?

Escaflown4 · Post by **Escaflown4** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 9:03:00 am

I hope Marvel don't screw this up. Supposedly I heard X-23 will be debuted with the rest of the X-Men. I already don't like the idea that she has claws. Wolverine's claws were implanted and his mutant powers is supposed to be the healing factor, so it doesn't make sense that her daughter would be born with claws. The writers better have something up their sleeves and come up with how she became to have them.

greg · Post by **greg** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 9:27:16 am

Escaflown4 wrote:I hope Marvel don't screw this up. Supposedly I heard X-23 will be debuted with the rest of the X-Men. I already don't like the idea that she has claws. Wolverine's claws were implanted and his mutant powers is supposed to be the healing factor, so it doesn't make sense that her daughter would be born with claws. The writers better have something up their sleeves and come up with how she became to have them.

Didn't the "kid Wolverine" in 'The Origin' have claws?
(I haven't read it yet, but the claws are on the 2nd or 3rd issue cover.)

sd2416 · Post by **sd2416** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:33:35 am

yeah, the kid did have regular bone claws, not adamantium claws

cjv · Post by **cjv** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:27:01 pm

It's been so long since I have read any Xmen or Wolvering comics, but wasn't the adamantium removed from Wolverine's bones at one point? And didn't they find out then that he had bone claws - indicating that it was part of his biology, not just something that was added on?

Maybe it was re-written or something, but I seem to recall that.

Chris

hillmanthe2nd · Post by **hillmanthe2nd** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:40:10 pm

greg wrote:
Escaflown4 wrote:I hope Marvel don't screw this up. Supposedly I heard X-23 will be debuted with the rest of the X-Men. I already don't like the idea that she has claws. Wolverine's claws were implanted and his mutant powers is supposed to be the healing factor, so it doesn't make sense that her daughter would be born with claws. The writers better have something up their sleeves and come up with how she became to have them.
Didn't the "kid Wolverine" in 'The Origin' have claws?
(I haven't read it yet, but the claws are on the 2nd or 3rd issue cover.)

Origin is a GREAT series - READ IT!

Yes, as revealed in the Origin series wolverine does have bone "claws" and of course everyone knows he later had adimantium grafted to his skeleton.

greg · Post by **greg** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:47:42 pm

hillmanthe2nd wrote:Origin is a GREAT series - READ IT!

I picked up the TPB at the Chicago con for $7.50. Haven't read it yet...

skiw · Post by **skiw** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 3:51:39 pm

hillmanthe2nd wrote:Origin is a GREAT series - READ IT!

Yes, as revealed in the Origin series wolverine does have bone "claws" and of course everyone knows he later had adimantium grafted to his skeleton.

And his older brother was not killed, as hinted at in Origin, and comes back to play with Wolvie in Wolverine: The End. Origin is a better read IMHO, though.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:05:54 pm

Weapon X > Origin

Chuck · Post by **Chuck** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:25:08 pm

Actually (cjv is right), back in Wolverine 75, during the FATAL ATTRACTIONS SAGA, Magneto removed Wolverine's adamantium steel from his body (through his skin

). Right after that incident; Woverine popped his claws and out came the bones. That was the first time readers were shown his bone claws.

I get the feeling this subjects gonna get moved soon

greg · Post by **greg** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:35:08 pm

Chuck wrote:I get the feeling this subjects gonna get moved soon

What a good idea!

dino · Post by **dino** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 9:33:12 pm

Ryan wrote:Weapon X > Origin

I always thought BWS should have drawn origin but after solar I think he should draw every characters origin

wrunow · Post by **wrunow** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 10:44:01 pm

dino wrote:
Ryan wrote:Weapon X > Origin
I always thought BWS should have drawn origin but after solar I think he should draw every characters origin

Well he got to draw the origin of wolvies adamantium in the MCP series way back when, that was pretty good, although the issues were short and I hated waiting for the next one so I could read the 10 or so pages.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 10:47:35 pm

greg wrote: Didn't the "kid Wolverine" in 'The Origin' have claws?
(I haven't read it yet, but the claws are on the 2nd or 3rd issue cover.)

One of the silliest, dumbest moves Marvel's EVER made. Wolvie having 'claws' made no sense. There's no mutation that would make RETACTABLE BONE claws housed in the forearm of the human body and extendable at a thought. There's nothing in nature that would provide for such a MECHANICAL 'mutation'. The healing factor, yes. The strength, yes.

Heck, even organic steel makes more sense than a a MECHANICAL 'mutation'.

Absurd.

And if I EVER get a chance to say so, everything post Wolvie #75 becomes a dream.

I'll get Alan Moore to write it.

Chuck · Post by **Chuck** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:15:40 am

The ultimate RETCON the DREAM

Just like that season of DALLAS: Who (the F

) Shot JR?

Marvel retcons everything (and again and again

). Wolverine history and origin (based on retcons) is the most screwed up off all: memory implants, memory loss, dead girl friends, has a brother, brother is still alive . . . WTF; the list just goes on an on.

Maybe they should retcon right after the Frank Miller LS.

sorry about the RANT

i digress

lobo · Post by **lobo** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:21:14 pm

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
greg wrote: Didn't the "kid Wolverine" in 'The Origin' have claws?
(I haven't read it yet, but the claws are on the 2nd or 3rd issue cover.)
One of the silliest, dumbest moves Marvel's EVER made. Wolvie having 'claws' made no sense. There's no mutation that would make RETACTABLE BONE claws housed in the forearm of the human body and extendable at a thought. There's nothing in nature that would provide for such a MECHANICAL 'mutation'. The healing factor, yes. The strength, yes.

Heck, even organic steel makes more sense than a a MECHANICAL 'mutation'.

Absurd.

And if I EVER get a chance to say so, everything post Wolvie #75 becomes a dream.

I'll get Alan Moore to write it.

C'mon, retracting claws as a human mutation in the comic world is not so big a stretch. Perhaps wolverine has a different musculature and bone structure to accomidate his claws. Many animals in nature have retracting claws in the wild to a lesser extent than Woverine, they just don't peirce there own flesh when coming out. Wolverine #75 made great drama, the bone claws were pretty cool if only a little corny IMO.

Colossus with organic steel skin on the other hand always perplexed me as a viable mutation but I went along with it.

Is Colossus still dead be the way? Wolverine is the only mutant title I have read over the past five years so I'm on the outs with what's going on in continuity land at Marvel... such as it is.

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:22:51 pm

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
greg wrote: Didn't the "kid Wolverine" in 'The Origin' have claws?
(I haven't read it yet, but the claws are on the 2nd or 3rd issue cover.)
One of the silliest, dumbest moves Marvel's EVER made. Wolvie having 'claws' made no sense. There's no mutation that would make RETACTABLE BONE claws housed in the forearm of the human body and extendable at a thought. There's nothing in nature that would provide for such a MECHANICAL 'mutation'. The healing factor, yes. The strength, yes.

Heck, even organic steel makes more sense than a a MECHANICAL 'mutation'.

Absurd.

And if I EVER get a chance to say so, everything post Wolvie #75 becomes a dream.

I'll get Alan Moore to write it.

Cats can retract their claws.

greg · Post by **greg** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 11:04:11 pm

x-omatic wrote:Cats can retract their claws.

Strangely enough... so can wolverines.
http://bss.sfsu.edu/geog/bholzman/cours ... erine.html

Well sorta...

"Wolverines have thick bushy coats, hairy soles, broad heads, short furry ears, and curved, semi-retractile claws."

lobo · Post by **lobo** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 8:46:20 pm

semi-retractile claws (Figure 1)

Wow Greg your resourcefulness never ceases to amaze!
Even the natural habit of the animal skirts along the same area where Logan's story in Origin and Weapon X take place.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:00:26 pm

x-omatic wrote:
Cats can retract their claws.

(A) Claws are not made of bone.

(B) Retractable claws go into SHEATHES...not out of and back into skin, muscle, tendon, etc etc etc in the forearm. If wolvie had SHEATHES in his forearm or hand, that would have made MUCH more sense.

Guess I should have emphasized the BONE and HOUSING (the MECHANICAL) part...not the "RETACTABLE" (sic) part. It was the BONE and HOUSING part that annoyed me, not really the retraction part. Having had a cat growing up, retractable claws are something I am familiar with...especially when he'd caught skin and was trying to EXtract it from ME.

And of course, I would have thought the 'I'll get Alan Moore to write it' would have been the tipoff that I wasn't being *too* serious.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:30:57 pm

greg wrote: "Wolverines have thick bushy coats, hairy soles, broad heads, short furry ears, and curved, semi-retractile claws."

Claws which, of course, are not made of bone, and do not retract into the forehocks of said wolverines.