SHADOWMAN RETURNS APRIL 2021

[agent_graves]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=you ... cpZCLVrgW4

Finally something to look forward too...

[IMJ]

Interesting.
I'll consider it although I'm not really down for supporting anything financially that Heather Antos is involved in. The last Shadowman book I bought was Diggles run as much as I could once I found out what the print runs were.... If Shadowman ever pops again that Diggle series is going to be a hard find, man.

[agent_graves]

Interesting.
I'll consider it although I'm not really down for supporting anything financially that Heather Antos is involved in. The last Shadowman book I bought was Diggles run as much as I could once I found out what the print runs were.... If Shadowman ever pops again that Diggle series is going to be a hard find, man.

I feel you, I’m not a fan of hers either. But it’s SHADOWMAN, so I’m hoping the creative team can keep her influence to a minimum ...

Definitely! No need to wait for it to pop, get those 1:20’s now!

[aj583]

That Shadowman preview was encouraging! I loved the direction of the story. Will definitely check it out. I still haven’t checked out the Diggle run. Cooled on Shadowman after End Times. Need to catch up.

Since when can Jack make his mask materialize out of thin air on his face? Did I miss that? Anyways, I’m actually excited about the potential based on this sneak peek.


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[GammaJosh]

Not only looks great, but has a cool editor who doesn't take any *SQUEE*, so I'll be supporting this one with extra enthusiasm.

[IMJ]

Not only looks great, but has a cool editor who doesn't take any *SQUEE*, so I'll be supporting this one with extra enthusiasm.

You are a hater.

[Chiclo]

Not only looks great, but has a cool editor who doesn't take any *SQUEE*, so I'll be supporting this one with extra enthusiasm.

You are a hater.

I dunno, VEI’s track record overall is about 50/50 with Shadowman. I honestly can’t remember having read anything by Cullen Bunn to remember what his writing style is like and he says he is going to try taking Shadowman in a new direction. Shadowman is a lower bar than Harbinger or X-O and the art style looks like it works with the concept. I am hopeful for the new Shadowman!

Editors are like translators, if they do their job well, you never notice that they were there. Only bad editors get noticed.

[agent_graves]

Not only looks great, but has a cool editor who doesn't take any *SQUEE*, so I'll be supporting this one with extra enthusiasm.

You are a hater.

I dunno, VEI’s track record overall is about 50/50 with Shadowman. I honestly can’t remember having read anything by Cullen Bunn to remember what his writing style is like and he says he is going to try taking Shadowman in a new direction. Shadowman is a lower bar than Harbinger or X-O and the art style looks like it works with the concept. I am hopeful for the new Shadowman!

Editors are like translators, if they do their job well, you never notice that they were there. Only bad editors get noticed.

+1 Hope that didn’t go over his head..

[IMJ]

Not only looks great, but has a cool editor who doesn't take any *SQUEE*, so I'll be supporting this one with extra enthusiasm.

You are a hater.

I dunno, VEI’s track record overall is about 50/50 with Shadowman. I honestly can’t remember having read anything by Cullen Bunn to remember what his writing style is like and he says he is going to try taking Shadowman in a new direction. Shadowman is a lower bar than Harbinger or X-O and the art style looks like it works with the concept. I am hopeful for the new Shadowman!

Editors are like translators, if they do their job well, you never notice that they were there. Only bad editors get noticed.

+1 Hope that didn’t go over his head..

-thumb's up-

[GammaJosh]

Sure, like when Heather got noticed for ruining Marvel's superhero line, even though she was a lowly editor on Star Wars and didn't have any influence on Marvel's superhero line. Oh and then she dared to be in a picture with her co-workers where they were out having milkshakes, and Comicsgaters lost their minds because...they're dumb? They can't get laid? They can't stand a woman who slings mud right back at them? She was a lightning rod for Comicsgate haters before she ever came to Valiant, and that's where most of the hate is still coming from. Fat, aging losers who can't stand that time is marching on and the industry is opening up to people who don't look and think just like them.

I don't waste my time hating on stuff I don't like. I'm a fan, not a hater.

[IMJ]

I don't waste my time hating on stuff I don't like. I'm a fan, not a hater.

because...they're dumb?

They can't get laid?

They can't stand a woman who slings mud right back at them?

Fat, aging losers who can't stand that time is marching on and the industry is opening up to people who don't look and think just like them.

I'm a fan, not a hater.

What you've said here is the earmark that I have observed about many people that fit your patterns.

You are a hater. Because you had to point out your support of a divisive editor, and had to do it with zeal in direct proximity to the discussion here about her failings and political nonsense. You had to point it out. Passive aggression. Constant defense. High context hater.

The earmark of every thinker like you. "Respect all people!" -burns down buildings- "Fight hate!" -believes Trump supporters are evil and wants to combat them- "Live and let live!" -then goes and creates enemies through narrative where none existed before-

It's all a lie. People like you are the new hate. 60 years ago you'd have been a resolved racist. 200 years ago you'd have been burning people alive in the town square for being a witch. Your passive aggression is hate manifested. Your pronouncements here in the other thread about what kind of these boards are is a blanket statement about people -like racism- based on your own warped tunnel vision -like totalitarianism-.

You are full of $#!(. You are disingenuous. I don't believe you. Hater. And again I point out, whether you believe it or not, that I am not "comicsgate". But you won't believe that. It doesn't fit your simpleton narrative or simpleton view of the world.

[Chiclo]

Sure, like when Heather got noticed for ruining Marvel's superhero line, even though she was a lowly editor on Star Wars and didn't have any influence on Marvel's superhero line. Oh and then she dared to be in a picture with her co-workers where they were out having milkshakes, and Comicsgaters lost their minds because...they're dumb? They can't get laid? They can't stand a woman who slings mud right back at them? She was a lightning rod for Comicsgate haters before she ever came to Valiant, and that's where most of the hate is still coming from. Fat, aging losers who can't stand that time is marching on and the industry is opening up to people who don't look and think just like them.

I don't waste my time hating on stuff I don't like. I'm a fan, not a hater.

It is a false equivalency to equate our disappointment in her poor stewardship of the Valiant brand and the unfocused tantrum that is comicsgate. It is disingenuous to bring up the milkshake incident in this context and suggests that you specifically refuse to consider the specific nature of our grievances. When Heather Antos first joined Valiant, the general feeling on this board was one of careful optimism. Valiant had stagnated and we hoped she’d bring new ideas, which she did. Our disappointment does not predate her affiliation with Valiant. This is not part of the larger gate tantrum. This begins and ends with Valiant. I only hope that Valiant does not end with her.

Maybe we are fat and aging but Valiant was diverse in the days of Dino and Dysart and V-ditti and we loved Valiant. It is not the people who don’t look and think like us that bothers us.

I do like milkshakes. I can’t fault her for that one.

[nycjadie]

Sure, like when Heather got noticed for ruining Marvel's superhero line, even though she was a lowly editor on Star Wars and didn't have any influence on Marvel's superhero line. Oh and then she dared to be in a picture with her co-workers where they were out having milkshakes, and Comicsgaters lost their minds because...they're dumb? They can't get laid? They can't stand a woman who slings mud right back at them? She was a lightning rod for Comicsgate haters before she ever came to Valiant, and that's where most of the hate is still coming from. Fat, aging losers who can't stand that time is marching on and the industry is opening up to people who don't look and think just like them.

I don't waste my time hating on stuff I don't like. I'm a fan, not a hater.

It is a false equivalency to equate our disappointment in her poor stewardship of the Valiant brand and the unfocused tantrum that is comicsgate. It is disingenuous to bring up the milkshake incident in this context and suggests that you specifically refuse to consider the specific nature of our grievances. When Heather Antos first joined Valiant, the general feeling on this board was one of careful optimism. Valiant had stagnated and we hoped she’d bring new ideas, which she did. Our disappointment does not predate her affiliation with Valiant. This is not part of the larger gate tantrum. This begins and ends with Valiant. I only hope that Valiant does not end with her.

Maybe we are fat and aging but Valiant was diverse in the days of Dino and Dysart and V-ditti and we loved Valiant. It is not the people who don’t look and think like us that bothers us.

I do like milkshakes. I can’t fault her for that one.

+1

As I've said before (and been called out for it here), I don't think you should get away with mixing up Bloodshot and Rai as a Valiant editor. I saw it in the flesh, just before the movie release. That was a stupid mistake, but it's also indicative of what is going on at Valiant as a whole.

She has a lot going for her, but the gaffs remain. I could give two *SQUEE* about milkshakes, but the characters of my favorite comic universe? Come on! That's an easy one!

I could give two *SQUEE* about milkshakes and Twitter feeds. I just want to see good books, amazing writing and art. Good editors attract that, just like good politicians. Editors keep folks on the rails for sure, but more importantly, they attract good writers and artists. If you don't have that?

[mramsterdam]

If they bring back Jaunty the monkey, i will kiss Heather Antos's *SQUEE*

[GammaJosh]

I came here to see a post about a new series that I'm looking forward to, and that I will support, and found some new bullschitt hating on Heather Antos, so I will happily dish it out to anyone and everyone who is going to be a turd about yet another series before it even comes out.

[GammaJosh]

I'll consider it although I'm not really down for supporting anything financially that Heather Antos is involved in.

Or are we pretending this stance is based purely on editorial quality and not ideology?

[Dallow Spicer1]

Fat, aging losers who can't stand that time is marching on and the industry is opening up to people who don't look and think just like them.

Interested in this replacement theory that is often the justification for the ‘type’ (shall we say) of comic books so prevalent today, when will it transfer into sales?

[IMJ]

I'll consider it although I'm not really down for supporting anything financially that Heather Antos is involved in.

Or are we pretending this stance is based purely on editorial quality and not ideology?

I don't pretend or hide behind anything you cliche-flinging lil' snot rag. If my very elaborate yet easy to digest explanations about your humanity haven't made that clear enough.

My stance on Antos is a response to both her world-view as evidenced by her politics as well as how the Valiant line has continued to diminish. My stance on you is a direct result of how you view and have interacted with the world as evidenced by your postings here. Simple enough. Hater.

Your pathetic and cliche "Are we pretending" reply in denial of all of this is more revealing about you and your worldview than mine. Hater. Disingenuous, pathetic, lowly hater.

Interested in this replacement theory that is often the justification for the ‘type’ (shall we say) of comic books so prevalent today, when will it transfer into sales?

There's no use in pointing out clear patterns like you are alluding to here. These people will just be in disregard of them.
They are liars. They are fake. They are disingenuous and full of $#!(. Don't believe them.
Let the industry crumble under their *SQUEE* as the free market continues to respond to their erroneous thinking and phantom enemies. It's over, let it crumble. It's a lesson for all of us at this point - enjoy what you've amassed for twenty years rather than needing more. There will be no one left and these instigators and social-justice-sycophants will be left standing yelling at an empty room.

[Chiclo]

The saddest part about this for me is that the comics industry had started to turn itself around before it was hobbled by this post-modern progressive agenda. On one hand, the progressive agenda has overtaken most of the entertainment industry, tv, movies, so-called journalism, print media et al, for most of the last ten years or so. Maybe it was a good sign that comics was included and not overlooked? This didn’t happen in a vacuum and thankfully, comics is not the only medium to fall for this.

On the other hand, the comics industry was starting to turn itself around. Comics were still recovering from the free fall after the early 90s boom and bust, with the low point of that bust was around the year 2000. In the 2006/7 timeframe, we were talking about the death of comics as a hobby within 20 years and asking how we could save the hobby and how we could hook kids. Then came the Iron Man movie in 2008 and comics as an industry revitalized overnight. Some complained that the enthusiasm for these comic characters did not translate into new comic readers but was directed at things like cons, cosplay, movies and the geek chic lifestyle, but the print runs did rise, not to match the kinds of numbers seen 15 years earlier but much healthier than they had been since. Big publishers expanded their lines, smaller publishers were springing up and Image was in a serious ascendancy. And then they decided that the best way to attract new readers was to overemphasize the progressive virtue of diversity - not that bad of an idea to try, but it proved to be an experiment that did not retain or cultivate new readers and by most metrics, has been proven to have failed. Print runs have been in decline - which has more to do with the boom/bust cycle of the industry than any gaters peeing their pants on YouTube about milkshakes. Any gains the industry made a decade ago are lost today.

A couple of anecdotes - around 2007, the monthly list of Top 100 titles in the back of Previews magazine was pretty consistently all Marvel and DC with one exception, Dark Horse’s Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Then the Walking Dead caught on and Image caught fire. There was a while where every new Image #1 was hot and selling for big money and really odd Image books were getting popular, like Li’l Depressed Boy.

In 2006, I went to the San Diego Comic Con. I flew to California without tickets so I did not get to go to Preview night. Thursday at about 12:30 local time, I walked up to the ticket sales booth on the second floor, walked right up to the table (no line at all) and bought a 4 day pass. That is what comics was in 2006.

TL;DR - We can debate the merits of the progressive agenda that they have pursued in the comics industry but one thing that is fairly obvious is that the experiment has failed to generate a long-term increase in monthly sales of comics, which they told us was the reason to do all this in the first place.

[GammaJosh]

"Snot rag"?! Such harsh language! Did some recent events put you in a bad mood?

Anyone else besides IMJ wanna go on the record about not liking Heather because of her politics?

[Dallow Spicer1]

"Snot rag"?! Such harsh language! Did some recent events put you in a bad mood?

Anyone else besides IMJ wanna go on the record about not liking Heather because of her politics?

I’ll go on the record and say I don’t like her and other editors/creators INSERTING their politics in books. But, as I’ve said in another post somewhere, whoever hired her is to blame, she’s true to form, it’s not like she hid her dislike of Republicans it’s just that now she wields more influence.

[GammaJosh]

Do you have a list of times her politics showed up in books, and any proof at all those ideas came from her and not the writers?

[Chiclo]

"Snot rag"?! Such harsh language! Did some recent events put you in a bad mood?

Anyone else besides IMJ wanna go on the record about not liking Heather because of her politics?

Do you have a list of times her politics showed up in books, and any proof at all those ideas came from her and not the writers?

Lists? Demands for “going on the record”? Implicit threats of reprisals for political viewpoints? This sounds like a less fun version of McCarthyism.

I tried to sign up for the Trump Accountability Project, but they only had a place to sign up for e-mails and I couldn’t find where to add my name to the list.

[Dallow Spicer1]

Do you have a list of times her politics showed up in books, and any proof at all those ideas came from her and not the writers?

The point as editor (and now senior editor) is she *chooses* writers who share her politics. This stuff has been said many times before on this board if you care to research.

[agent_graves]

I'll consider it although I'm not really down for supporting anything financially that Heather Antos is involved in.

Or are we pretending this stance is based purely on editorial quality and not ideology?

For me, 1000%...

Clear Example... She edits XO, Harbinger & Shadowman. XO is trash! Harbinger doesn’t look promising. Who knows, the writing might be on point, but the art is jarring, and the new direction for the team laid out by Antos and the writers, doesn’t interest me. And lastly, Shadowman, top 5 Valiant character for me. So I’m supporting regardless, but at least on this one, I’m a fan of the team put together, and from what Bunn (not Antos) has talked about so far, describing the new book and direction, I’m definitely looking forward to it.