How did this guy get a 9.8! Please help me see the light

[djm928]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 48522&rd=1

How did this guy get a 9.8 when there is a pencil date and misc. on the W and I on Whiz comics?!???!!?!?!?I know its a rare book anyway, but shouldn't modern or golden age be held to the same standards.

[slym2none]

According to CGC, if the writing is small and/or unobtrusive, the comic can grade up to a 9.8 - only 9.9's and 10.0's are not allowed to have writing or stamps on the cover.



-slym

[DawgPhan]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 48522&rd=1

How did this guy get a 9.8 when there is a pencil date and misc. on the W and I on Whiz comics?!???!!?!?!?I know its a rare book anyway, but shouldn't modern or golden age be held to the same standards.

oh wait....


those pencil marks on that book are from edgar church and make this book part of his collection. Those little pencil marks a whole lot to some people...

also date stamps and marks are allowed on pedigree books if they are used to determine the status of the book...

Oh and GA and MA books are held to different standards...

[djm928]

Thanks slym, I never really knew how to regard small date stamps or writings on books. I usually just regarded them as a partial grade lower depending on the severity of them (as long as they were small and not obtrusive on the cover). It's good to know though that cgc doesn't mind them that much....

[DawgPhan]

According to CGC, if the writing is small and/or unobtrusive, the comic can grade up to a 9.8 - only 9.9's and 10.0's are not allowed to have writing or stamps on the cover.



-slym

you also missed the point that these are church books...do you guys not know about the biggest comic find in the history of comics?

[DawgPhan]

Thanks slym, I never really knew how to regard small date stamps or writings on books. I usually just regarded them as a partial grade lower depending on the severity of them (as long as they were small and not obtrusive on the cover). It's good to know though that cgc doesn't mind them that much....

Please understand that these are not just pencil marks...

[djm928]

dawg,
Just read about it. I was just perusing ebay when I made the comment earlier, didn't really notice it was part of the edgar collection in the auction until you pointed it out. Here's the history of the collection for those interested.

"Chuck joins and talks to Vincent about his discovery of the Church collection. In 1977 Chuck received a phone call from a man asking if he bought old comics. He had a large accumulation his father-in-law saved and wanted to sell it. Rosanski's store was not his first attempt to sell the collection, but unlike the previous dealers Rosanski agreed to travel the long distance and check it out.

Upon arriving at the small house, Chuck was led to a closet where some old pulps were stored. Unfortunately water had leaked from the ceiling and soaked the pulps. Not discouraged, the man asked Rosanski if he would like to see the comics for sale. He was then led down into the cellar, where a small pantry stored the comics for sale. Upon opening the pantry doors Chuck was astounded by the sight of mounds of comics everywhere, stacked eight feet high in the middle and carefully piled on the surrounding shelves. Examining the comics closer, he realized the collection consisted of full runs of Golden Age comics--and the condition of the books was incredible, better than he had ever seen.

The history behind the amassing of this famous collection began in 1937 when a thriving commercial artist named Edgar Church decided to hone his skills at drawing the human figure. Traveling to a nearby newsstand he purchased nearly every comic, a ritual that would be practiced for the next fifteen years. Church also wanted back issues of the comics he had missed, so he bought many of his mid-1930's comics from a second-hand store called the "Reader's Guild" where his "used" comics cost him only eight or nine cents.

Each month Church bought every comic on the stands and brought them home, carefully stacking them in his cellar inside the pantry. This went on until 1953, when the buying became less frequent. The last authentic copies were dated 1956, around when Church stopped buying periodicals altogether. They were left in the pantry for twenty more years until Church was placed in a home, and the decision was made to sell his accumulation.

The main method of identification involves the codes penciled on the majority of Mile High covers, mostly during the 1940-1945 period. Although there are codes on many books after 1945 and a few prior to 1939, it is mainly regarded that authentication of Mile Highs from these two periods relies on methods other than code identification.

In summary, there are three different letters present in a Mile High code: C, D, and M. "D" is the most represented letter on Mile Highs, particularly on DC, Timely, Fawcett, Quality, Fox, and Centaur comics. The letter "C" is present on mainly Fiction House, Nedor, and Dell. "M" is present on mid-1950's comics. It is believed that these letters represent different distributors from which each title was sold.

In addition to these letters two numbers usually follow, representing the month and day that particular comic book hit the newsstand. These numbers are sometimes absent, most commonly on pre-1940 or post-1945 comics.

The code is usually written in the top left corner of the cover, sometimes above the logo, or in the logo itself. In the top right corner there is usually a number written, which represents the number of copies of that particular book on that particular newsstand. This number can show when the peak of superhero comics occurred, around 1943. "

[djm928]

Back to the idea of pencil or pen marks on a comic though.... if not part of a collection would you say that they are detrimental to the grade even if small? or as slym said would they not affect a submission to CGC?

[DawgPhan]

Back to the idea of pencil or pen marks on a comic though.... if not part of a collection would you say that they are detrimental to the grade even if small? or as slym said would they not affect a submission to CGC?

depending on where the mark was it was and how big it was and what the mark actually was...it could get a GLOD, a regular label with no deduction for the mark, or a regular label with a deduction for the mark..

How is that for an answer...

[greg]

Back to the idea of pencil or pen marks on a comic though.... if not part of a collection would you say that they are detrimental to the grade even if small? or as slym said would they not affect a submission to CGC?

Pencil marks in "unobtrusive places" on Golden Age books (or possibly Silver Age)
are not very detrimental (if at all) to the grades of those books.
However, it would be up to each potential buyer what they might
want to "discount" for the writing. Some buyers love pencil marks
such as hand-written dates, because it gives the book a "human touch"
and indicates that the book was once sitting on a newsstand, or collected
by someone who took the time to inventory/catalog books when few
were doing so.

On the other hand, other collectors see a marking and think,
"I wish that wasn't on there...", so it varies.

Pencil marks after about 1970 would probably be detrimental to the grade
since they're less of an "antiquity" and more of a nuisance.

[djm928]

Thanks for the insightful comment Dawg... sorry I jumped the gun before noticing the edgar church collection earlier. Glancing quickly, it looked like a date on the book...... read first, then comment, read first, then comment

[DawgPhan]

Thanks for the insightful comment Dawg... sorry I jumped the gun before noticing the edgar church collection earlier. Glancing quickly, it looked like a date on the book...... read first, then comment, read first, then comment

No problem...I knew right away that you were talking about a edgar church book..Pencil marks on a whiz comic screams edgar church to me...then looking at the auction and sure enough...easy to miss though...

and GA books are held to lower standards than MA books...but those Church books are sweet..

[djm928]

Yeah, I was curious too because I have some of my Dad's old comics from the 50s (Disney unfortunately... my Aunt actually burned my Dad's superhero books from the 50s when he was a kid because she was mad at him when they were younger.... I still haven't completely forgiven her for this ). Anyway, my grandmother used to write a small date on some of the books and I wasn't sure how to grade them. So, thanks for the comments guys.

[speedracex]

i havent even read the article yet, but the pic blew my mind

http://www.worldtalkradio.com/archive.asp?aid=3170

[cinlach@aol.com]

sweet jesus!

i clicked on that link and peed on myself...damn.

i would pay money just to be in the same room as those books.

[slym2none]

Hominahominahomina..............



-slym (will never be in the presence of such greatness in his life)