Savage #1 (LaRosa 1:50) will be LESS than 350 copies.

[DirtbagSailor]

In case you missed it.

Both Britannia #2 and Britannia #3 1 in 50s have print runs about double the size of the Divinity #1 1 in 40.

Divinity #1 1 in 40 is maybe the rarest...until Savage #1 1:50.

Dinesh's quote can be found here:

http://www.valiantfans.com/forum/viewto ... =1&t=48999

[TheeBaldMoose]

I do wonder who, outside this forum, really knows....

[Nairbe]

I'm sure it's gotten around.

I do hate this artificial way of creating value. The demand for this book will be there, they don't need to do it this way. But Valiant is limiting it to less than that of Divinity? Why?

There's 1millions copies of 4001AD 1:150's (I'm exaggerating don't have kittens) that some of us paid $150.00 (FU DCBS) to get and we'd be lucky to sell for half that. But a 1:50 1st appearance of a major new character new character is being limited.

That said, yes I'm going to buy it, but yeah I'm kinda *SQUEE* that it's going to cost a ridiculous amount of money.

[nonplayer]

I'm sure it's gotten around.

I do hate this artificial way of creating value. The demand for this book will be there, they don't need to do it this way. But Valiant is limiting it to less than that of Divinity? Why?

There's 1millions copies of 4001AD 1:150's (I'm exaggerating don't have kittens) that some of us paid $150.00 (FU DCBS) to get and we'd be lucky to sell for half that. But a 1:50 1st appearance of a major new character new character is being limited.

That said, yes I'm going to buy it, but yeah I'm kinda *SQUEE* that it's going to cost a ridiculous amount of money.

I think whats happening here is low numbers. If nobody orders the 1/50 it becomes worth more but only to thoes who care. If the title takes off and nobody care then the rarity doesn't matter because nobody wants it. I passed on this. I got the xo 50 1/50 and already it's selling for 10 bucks so that was a good use of my money. That one I justified because it's for the xo collection. But I can't keep investing my careing and hard earned money for every single mini and ongoing doesn't mean ongoing.

[jaden_sai]

I just hope I can find one.

[DirtbagSailor]

The hunt is on!

[WallyWest78]

He's already tweeted about the upcoming rarity of Savage #1 too.

The secret's out boys and girls.

[greg]

There's even a soundtrack for the hunt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkVG-qXRgfo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Nairbe]

You guys are taking this news much better than I am.

[jaden_sai]

You guys are taking this news much better than I am.

I'm just seeing my chance at a copy disappear...

[JCP]

Everybody will be refreshing midtown and grahamcrackers early on Wednesday.

[Dallow Spicer1]

In case you missed it.

Both Britannia #2 and Britannia #3 1 in 50s have print runs about double the size of the Divinity #1 1 in 40.

Divinity #1 1 in 40 is maybe the rarest...until Savage #1 1:50.

Dinesh's quote can be found here:

http://www.valiantfans.com/forum/viewto ... =1&t=48999

Based on sales for Britannia #2 (8583), Britannia #2 1:50 would only have 172 copies, surely that's not double Divinity #1 1:40?

Based on sales figures Brittania #1 1:50 should have under 400 copies right? What is the price of that book in the US at the moment? That's a first appearance book!

[greg]

In case you missed it.

Both Britannia #2 and Britannia #3 1 in 50s have print runs about double the size of the Divinity #1 1 in 40.

Divinity #1 1 in 40 is maybe the rarest...until Savage #1 1:50.

Dinesh's quote can be found here:

http://www.valiantfans.com/forum/viewto ... =1&t=48999

Based on sales figures Brittania #1 1:50 should have under 400 copies right? What is the price of that book in the US at the moment?

Based on sales figures, 4001AD #4 1:100 should be 119 copies. Sales figures don't matter much for final print numbers on variants. Valiant has been printing 400+ of all variants, regardless of sales, with the exception of 350 for Divinity #1 1:40 and the latest comment about Savage #1 1:50.

Ultimately, all Valiant books with under 1,000 copies have the potential to be important collectibles if the demand grows. Some already are... and others could be bigger depending on stories and first appearances recognized in the future.

The "best bet" is the combination of an all-new Valiant character and a very low print run.
Divinity #1 1:40 and Divinity #3 1:40 both fit that scenario, and 4001AD War Mother #1 1:20 might be another potential.

Shadowman #5 (both the 1:25 variant and the 1:125 linewide variant) are also good ones, for the first appearance of Shan Fong, but they may have 1,000+ copies.
Shadowman #13 1:50 is the first Punk Mambo. Potentially that one is below 1,000.

Now we can add Savage #1 1:50 to the list, but we probably need to review our list in light of the first appearances regularly. The main character in Harbinger: Renegade #1 might be a first appearance from back in Harbinger #1 (2012).

[DirtbagSailor]

Greg is 100% correct.

Several of us (myself included) have attempted to run numbers and make predictions. Hell, I've got 25 copies of A&A #5 (1:50) and multiple copies of the 4001 A.D. B&W variants. Perhaps someday they will be in greater demand. Who knows.

But in the case of Savage #1, similar to Divinity #1, we KNOW that the lines of a first appearance AND low print run will intersect. It's a fact.

For those who don't care for this sort of thing, then it doesn't matter I suppose.

For those who DO care, there will likely NOT be a better chance to score one of these books then in the coming two weeks. At least not before they are tucked away in personal collectors and/or send to CGC/CBCS for grading.

Many will know; many won't, so make your move while the iron is HOT!

Savage #1 is released on 30 Nov, so I'd be talking to your LCS and also checking the usual sites/contacts for copies quite soon. Get ahead of the wave, and WIN!

[JCP]

Greg is 100% correct.

Several of us (myself included) have attempted to run numbers and make predictions. Hell, I've got 25 copies of A&A #5 (1:50) and multiple copies of the 4001 A.D. B&W variants. Perhaps someday they will be in greater demand. Who knows.

But in the case of Savage #1, similar to Divinity #1, we KNOW that the lines of a first appearance AND low print run will intersect. It's a fact.

For those who don't care for this sort of thing, then it doesn't matter I suppose.

For those who DO care, there will likely NOT be a better chance to score one of these books then in the coming two weeks. At least not before they are tucked away in personal collectors and/or send to CGC/CBCS for grading.


Many will know; many won't, so make your move while the iron is HOT!

Savage #1 is released on 30 Nov, so I'd be talking to your LCS and also checking the usual sites/contacts for copies quite soon. Get ahead of the wave, and WIN!

Thanks for all you and Greg do. Such a great forum!

[Nairbe]

Greg is 100% correct.

Several of us (myself included) have attempted to run numbers and make predictions. Hell, I've got 25 copies of A&A #5 (1:50) and multiple copies of the 4001 A.D. B&W variants. Perhaps someday they will be in greater demand. Who knows.

But in the case of Savage #1, similar to Divinity #1, we KNOW that the lines of a first appearance AND low print run will intersect. It's a fact.

For those who don't care for this sort of thing, then it doesn't matter I suppose.

For those who DO care, there will likely NOT be a better chance to score one of these books then in the coming two weeks. At least not before they are tucked away in personal collectors and/or send to CGC/CBCS for grading.

Many will know; many won't, so make your move while the iron is HOT!

Savage #1 is released on 30 Nov, so I'd be talking to your LCS and also checking the usual sites/contacts for copies quite soon. Get ahead of the wave, and WIN!

My issue with this is that Britannia #2/#3 1:50 have been almost impossible to find and they most likely have much higher print numbers than Savage 1 1:50. So now we are looking at a scenario where we have a first appearance with a deliberately low print run AND we know this in advance (unlike Divinity). The chance at getting one under $100/$150 is already out the window. Those that will be willing to sell them know the print run and an abuse of supply and demand will now ensue.

[JCP]

Greg is 100% correct.

Several of us (myself included) have attempted to run numbers and make predictions. Hell, I've got 25 copies of A&A #5 (1:50) and multiple copies of the 4001 A.D. B&W variants. Perhaps someday they will be in greater demand. Who knows.

But in the case of Savage #1, similar to Divinity #1, we KNOW that the lines of a first appearance AND low print run will intersect. It's a fact.

For those who don't care for this sort of thing, then it doesn't matter I suppose.

For those who DO care, there will likely NOT be a better chance to score one of these books then in the coming two weeks. At least not before they are tucked away in personal collectors and/or send to CGC/CBCS for grading.

Many will know; many won't, so make your move while the iron is HOT!

Savage #1 is released on 30 Nov, so I'd be talking to your LCS and also checking the usual sites/contacts for copies quite soon. Get ahead of the wave, and WIN!

My issue with this is that Britannia #2/#3 1:50 have been almost impossible to find and they most likely have much higher print numbers than Savage 1 1:50. So now we are looking at a scenario where we have a first appearance with a deliberately low print run AND we know this in advance (unlike Divinity). The chance at getting one under $100/$150 is already out the window. Those that will be willing to sell them know the print run and an abuse of supply and demand will now ensue.

Not necessarily. If we keep this to ourselves many of us can snag this issue at usual variant pricing. It doesn't appear Dino has broadcasted this anywhere but here so we can enjoy. Hopefully.

[DirtbagSailor]

Nothing is out the window (yet). Most LCS's and many eBay sellers simply do not read about Valiant print runs or speculation. If it isn't Psylocke looking sexy in a Venom suit, or a Harley Quinn / Deadpool crossover they often pay little attention.

Use this to your advantage. The CBSI have a STRONG dislike for anything Valiant and will NOT promote this book until the money is visible. As a result, those few thousand speculators won't make much effort until Trey decides to list it in his weekly Hot 10 lol!

[mkb28]

The "best bet" is the combination of an all-new Valiant character and a very low print run.
Divinity #1 1:40 and Divinity #3 1:40 both fit that scenario, and 4001AD War Mother #1 1:20 might be another potential.

I think another variable worth considering is if a retailer, such as Ed, cannot make the math work for a #1 title, you might want to buy the variants. In other words, if the retailers are excited about a book and there are multiple retailer variants, I think you should run away.

http://www.valiantfans.com/forum/viewto ... =1&t=48777" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just a theory, but all the package deals I ever purchased are worth less than what I paid for them.

[Dallow Spicer1]

Nothing is out the window (yet). Most LCS's and many eBay sellers simply do not read about Valiant print runs or speculation. If it isn't Psylocke looking sexy in a Venom suit, or a Harley Quinn / Deadpool crossover they often pay little attention.

Use this to your advantage. The CBSI have a STRONG dislike for anything Valiant and will NOT promote this book until the money is visible. As a result, those few thousand speculators won't make much effort until Trey decides to list it in his weekly Hot 10 lol!

Yeah what's up with CBSI, especially Trey! Ridiculously anti-Valiant and even more anti-Valiant fans??

[DirtbagSailor]

Trey and I disagree on Valiant.

I believe they have potential, and he doesn't.

I believe my sources on the future of Valiant; he believes his sources.

[Dallow Spicer1]

Trey and I disagree on Valiant.

I believe they have potential, and he doesn't.

I believe my sources on the future of Valiant; he believes his sources.

That's funny because it's clear they know absolutely nothing about Valiant with their uninformed comments. They have skewed logic too as Trey says if a Valiant movie is made then only 8000 Valiant fans will go and see they movie...by that logic all the people who went to watch Deadpool must be Deadpool readers...so the print run of that book must be huge!!

[DirtbagSailor]

[nycjadie]

I try to get all the variants. I'm pretty close now, but I've got to catch up on some Faith and 4001 stuff. I know they will be worth less than what I paid for them. I know a few books will be worth tons more. It doesn't quite even out, but I buy and sell books to support my habit. I try to break even, and if I assume my books are worthless, and they bring me happiness, then I will always be pleasantly surprised if they are worth anything at all.

If I get any extra Savage 1:50s, I'll offer them here to members who don't have one, for what I paid for them. Board members will covet them. Flippers will flip.

[jaden_sai]

If I get any extra Savage 1:50s, I'll offer them here to members who don't have one, for what I paid for them. Board members will covet them. Flippers will flip.

Thank you, very cool of you