Dinesh explains timeline post Book of Death

[Nairbe]

So with all the attention being given to the upcoming death of an "icon" in Harbinger 5. I've been wondering (for awhile now) what the future of the Valiant Universe is post Master Darque being stopped in Book of Death. Prior to the series they were pushing the narrative that this is the future of the Valiant Universe pretty hard. So I asked him directly on Twitter, and this is his response.

@dinesh_s @robertvenditti Is Book of Death still the canon future? Or just a possible future (as stated in Fall of Harbinger)?

"Gilad & Tama stopped Darque from corrupting David & therefore changed the future seen in Tamas book. How much will change is unclear but 1/2
it's likely that outside of the battle with geomancer powered Darque much of the future seen in BOD will still run its course as planned 2/2"

So there we go. I think we can forget about the timeline shown in the main series, but the individual Fall of books looks like they may hold mostly true. Probably with exception to the upcoming death, which I personally think will be a member of the Renegades (my money is now on Kris, Chronos isn't a Valiant Icon to me). Because even in Fall of Harbinger it said something to the affect that this is not the future, but a future.

[jmatt]

It's nice that we finally have the official word. Thanks for asking.

[Bl00dsh0t]

I think the death will be Faith.

We know she's hooking up with Neela, The Timewalker for the mini Faith and the Future Force, so right there is an 'out' for Valiant; Faith dies in Harbinger Renegade #5 but thanks to this timetravling ability with Neela, she can to go back in time just prior to the events surrounding her death and manipulate the course of events to survive, which in turn causes one of the severely wounded heroes from Harbinger Renegade #5 to die rather than recover from the injuries (whole actions have consequences butterfly affect thing).

That's my theory - probably wrong but it's fun to speculate

[Bl00dsh0t]

I think the death will be Faith.

We know she's hooking up with Neela, The Timewalker for the mini Faith and the Future Force, so right there is an 'out' for Valiant; Faith dies in Harbinger Renegade #5 but thanks to this timetravling ability with Neela, she can to go back in time just prior to the events surrounding her death and manipulate the course of events to survive, which in turn causes one of the severely wounded heroes from Harbinger Renegade #5 to die rather than recover from the injuries (whole actions have consequences butterfly affect thing).

That's my theory - probably wrong but it's fun to speculate

[nonplayer]

I think the death will be Faith.

We know she's hooking up with Neela, The Timewalker for the mini Faith and the Future Force, so right there is an 'out' for Valiant; Faith dies in Harbinger Renegade #5 but thanks to this timetravling ability with Neela, she can to go back in time just prior to the events surrounding her death and manipulate the course of events to survive, which in turn causes one of the severely wounded heroes from Harbinger Renegade #5 to die rather than recover from the injuries (whole actions have consequences butterfly affect thing).

That's my theory - probably wrong but it's fun to speculate

I think the death will be Faith.

We know she's hooking up with Neela, The Timewalker for the mini Faith and the Future Force, so right there is an 'out' for Valiant; Faith dies in Harbinger Renegade #5 but thanks to this timetravling ability with Neela, she can to go back in time just prior to the events surrounding her death and manipulate the course of events to survive, which in turn causes one of the severely wounded heroes from Harbinger Renegade #5 to die rather than recover from the injuries (whole actions have consequences butterfly affect thing).

That's my theory - probably wrong but it's fun to speculate

Suddenly I feel like I've read that before wait are we in the matrix.

[nonplayer]

I think the death will be Faith.

We know she's hooking up with Neela, The Timewalker for the mini Faith and the Future Force, so right there is an 'out' for Valiant; Faith dies in Harbinger Renegade #5 but thanks to this timetravling ability with Neela, she can to go back in time just prior to the events surrounding her death and manipulate the course of events to survive, which in turn causes one of the severely wounded heroes from Harbinger Renegade #5 to die rather than recover from the injuries (whole actions have consequences butterfly affect thing).

That's my theory - probably wrong but it's fun to speculate

I think the death will be Faith.

We know she's hooking up with Neela, The Timewalker for the mini Faith and the Future Force, so right there is an 'out' for Valiant; Faith dies in Harbinger Renegade #5 but thanks to this timetravling ability with Neela, she can to go back in time just prior to the events surrounding her death and manipulate the course of events to survive, which in turn causes one of the severely wounded heroes from Harbinger Renegade #5 to die rather than recover from the injuries (whole actions have consequences butterfly affect thing).

That's my theory - probably wrong but it's fun to speculate

Suddenly I feel like I've read that before wait are we in the matrix.

I love your theory btw Faith would blow everyone away.
And I said it ages ago even hoped or had faith it would be her.
Dead isn't always dead when time travel is possible. I know for a fact that will peeve alot of people off but done right could be awsome sauce. Secondly in the end butterfly affect we could get a suprise death by accident due to ya dude that's cool. Nice twist

[ftrain]

My money is on Valiant killing off Torque... for good. But whoever they kill, I hope they actually stay dead.

[Bl00dsh0t]

I think the death will be Faith.

We know she's hooking up with Neela, The Timewalker for the mini Faith and the Future Force, so right there is an 'out' for Valiant; Faith dies in Harbinger Renegade #5 but thanks to this timetravling ability with Neela, she can to go back in time just prior to the events surrounding her death and manipulate the course of events to survive, which in turn causes one of the severely wounded heroes from Harbinger Renegade #5 to die rather than recover from the injuries (whole actions have consequences butterfly affect thing).

That's my theory - probably wrong but it's fun to speculate

I think the death will be Faith.

We know she's hooking up with Neela, The Timewalker for the mini Faith and the Future Force, so right there is an 'out' for Valiant; Faith dies in Harbinger Renegade #5 but thanks to this timetravling ability with Neela, she can to go back in time just prior to the events surrounding her death and manipulate the course of events to survive, which in turn causes one of the severely wounded heroes from Harbinger Renegade #5 to die rather than recover from the injuries (whole actions have consequences butterfly affect thing).

That's my theory - probably wrong but it's fun to speculate

Suddenly I feel like I've read that before wait are we in the matrix.

not sure why that posted twice - my bad

[Thegreatmagnet]

I think the death will be Faith.

We know she's hooking up with Neela, The Timewalker for the mini Faith and the Future Force, so right there is an 'out' for Valiant; Faith dies in Harbinger Renegade #5 but thanks to this timetravling ability with Neela, she can to go back in time just prior to the events surrounding her death and manipulate the course of events to survive, which in turn causes one of the severely wounded heroes from Harbinger Renegade #5 to die rather than recover from the injuries (whole actions have consequences butterfly affect thing).

That's my theory - probably wrong but it's fun to speculate

I really don't think that they would kill Faith and then bring her back via time travel and fixing the past. Valiant is pretty consistent with their branding/messaging that dead is dead. They'very also stated that the past cannot be changed and referenced Ivar, Timewalker. Staying committed to these ideals is inportant, because it speaks to the relevance and importance of each story. As compared with Marvel for example who don't give a *SQUEE* and do lazy retcons all day long that *SQUEE* on years of continuity.

If Valiant starts to cheat on continuity and endulge in the shenanigans of the big 2, I think they'll have a big problem with their hardcore fans screaming betrayal. The reason we buy every title is because every single issue counts.

[Keith]

If Valiant starts to cheat on continuity and endulge in the shenanigans of the big 2, I think they'll have a big problem with their hardcore fans screaming betrayal. The reason we buy every title is because every single issue counts.

This.

[nonplayer]

My money is on Valiant killing off Torque... for good. But whoever they kill, I hope they actually stay dead.

Timey whimey

[BugsySig]

Ivar said you can't change what's already happened, and that time travel won't allow major interference (like killing Hitler). Everyone (baring Gilad, who is immortal) who dies, stays dead. VEI follows these rules.

What I've realized is although VEI is emphasizing the word "MAJOR" they are also using the word "Icon". That is te term they've used to describe this Summer's focus and the ICONS teaser that included XO, Faith, Bloodshot, Harada, and Shadowman. I doubt this would involve XO as his "Icons" push is already in effect with new series. Shadowman is in Rapture. Bloodshot is launching Salvation. Faith is a possibility as a Harbinger character, but also has the Future Force series coming. That leaves one "Icons" character, who's death would have a crazy impact and potentially lead to another Harbinger War: Harada.

Just food for thought.

[nonplayer]

Ivar said you can't change what's already happened, and that time travel won't allow major interference (like killing Hitler). Everyone (baring Gilad, who is immortal) who dies, stays dead. VEI follows these rules.

What I've realized is although VEI is emphasizing the word "MAJOR" they are also using the word "Icon". That is te term they've used to describe this Summer's focus and the ICONS teaser that included XO, Faith, Bloodshot, Harada, and Shadowman. I doubt this would involve XO as his "Icons" push is already in effect with new series. Shadowman is in Rapture. Bloodshot is launching Salvation. Faith is a possibility as a Harbinger character, but also has the Future Force series coming. That leaves one "Icons" character, who's death would have a crazy impact and potentially lead to another Harbinger War: Harada.

Just food for thought.

Killing off the best bad guy in the universe would be bad for buisness also we see Harada in Imperium and this series is happening before or durring but not at the end durring the big fight on the boat. Also book of death has Harada at the end of everything flying off into the universe. Sooo I can't get behind this theory.

[BugsySig]

Ivar said you can't change what's already happened, and that time travel won't allow major interference (like killing Hitler). Everyone (baring Gilad, who is immortal) who dies, stays dead. VEI follows these rules.

What I've realized is although VEI is emphasizing the word "MAJOR" they are also using the word "Icon". That is te term they've used to describe this Summer's focus and the ICONS teaser that included XO, Faith, Bloodshot, Harada, and Shadowman. I doubt this would involve XO as his "Icons" push is already in effect with new series. Shadowman is in Rapture. Bloodshot is launching Salvation. Faith is a possibility as a Harbinger character, but also has the Future Force series coming. That leaves one "Icons" character, who's death would have a crazy impact and potentially lead to another Harbinger War: Harada.

Just food for thought.

Killing off the best bad guy in the universe would be bad for buisness also we see Harada in Imperium and this series is happening before or durring but not at the end durring the big fight on the boat. Also book of death has Harada at the end of everything flying off into the universe. Sooo I can't get behind this theory.

Dino just said that the events in BoD don't necessarily happen.

Where did you hear this takes place during Imperium? I'm a bit behind in my reading TBH.

[nonplayer]

Ivar said you can't change what's already happened, and that time travel won't allow major interference (like killing Hitler). Everyone (baring Gilad, who is immortal) who dies, stays dead. VEI follows these rules.

What I've realized is although VEI is emphasizing the word "MAJOR" they are also using the word "Icon". That is te term they've used to describe this Summer's focus and the ICONS teaser that included XO, Faith, Bloodshot, Harada, and Shadowman. I doubt this would involve XO as his "Icons" push is already in effect with new series. Shadowman is in Rapture. Bloodshot is launching Salvation. Faith is a possibility as a Harbinger character, but also has the Future Force series coming. That leaves one "Icons" character, who's death would have a crazy impact and potentially lead to another Harbinger War: Harada.

Just food for thought.

Killing off the best bad guy in the universe would be bad for buisness also we see Harada in Imperium and this series is happening before or durring but not at the end durring the big fight on the boat. Also book of death has Harada at the end of everything flying off into the universe. Sooo I can't get behind this theory.

Dino just said that the events in BoD don't necessarily happen.

Where did you hear this takes place during Imperium? I'm a bit behind in my reading TBH.

Renegades is supposedly 6 months after Harbinger Wars 1 or is it a month can't quite remember. To me that's still before Imperium series ended. Time lines are important this isn't starwars where they can just up and say um ya that doesn't count. Harada is alive in the future defedently till the end of Imperium so he can't die it doesn't work.

[Shadowman99]

I can't see VEI killing off Harada or Faith. Harada's just too important in terms of driving current plot lines forward and Faith is too important in terms of real-world $$$ for the company.

Killing Faith and then bringing her back via time travel would cause anyone even remotely interested in VEI to go nuclear overnight I'm sure.

As for who I think it will be: don't know. Probably Torque or Khris because in the grand scheme of things they're both easy to kill off and pretty inconsequential losses for VEI in terms of future plots (imo).

[Keith]

Ivar said you can't change what's already happened, and that time travel won't allow major interference (like killing Hitler). Everyone (baring Gilad, who is immortal) who dies, stays dead. VEI follows these rules.

What I've realized is although VEI is emphasizing the word "MAJOR" they are also using the word "Icon". That is te term they've used to describe this Summer's focus and the ICONS teaser that included XO, Faith, Bloodshot, Harada, and Shadowman. I doubt this would involve XO as his "Icons" push is already in effect with new series. Shadowman is in Rapture. Bloodshot is launching Salvation. Faith is a possibility as a Harbinger character, but also has the Future Force series coming. That leaves one "Icons" character, who's death would have a crazy impact and potentially lead to another Harbinger War: Harada.

Just food for thought.

Killing off the best bad guy in the universe would be bad for buisness also we see Harada in Imperium and this series is happening before or durring but not at the end durring the big fight on the boat. Also book of death has Harada at the end of everything flying off into the universe. Sooo I can't get behind this theory.

Dino just said that the events in BoD don't necessarily happen.

Where did you hear this takes place during Imperium? I'm a bit behind in my reading TBH.

Renegades is supposedly 6 months after Harbinger Wars 1 or is it a month can't quite remember. To me that's still before Imperium series ended. Time lines are important this isn't starwars where they can just up and say um ya that doesn't count. Harada is alive in the future defedently till the end of Imperium so he can't die it doesn't work.

Renegades is six months after the PRS leak and downfall of Harada.

[BugsySig]

Ivar said you can't change what's already happened, and that time travel won't allow major interference (like killing Hitler). Everyone (baring Gilad, who is immortal) who dies, stays dead. VEI follows these rules.

What I've realized is although VEI is emphasizing the word "MAJOR" they are also using the word "Icon". That is te term they've used to describe this Summer's focus and the ICONS teaser that included XO, Faith, Bloodshot, Harada, and Shadowman. I doubt this would involve XO as his "Icons" push is already in effect with new series. Shadowman is in Rapture. Bloodshot is launching Salvation. Faith is a possibility as a Harbinger character, but also has the Future Force series coming. That leaves one "Icons" character, who's death would have a crazy impact and potentially lead to another Harbinger War: Harada.

Just food for thought.

Killing off the best bad guy in the universe would be bad for buisness also we see Harada in Imperium and this series is happening before or durring but not at the end durring the big fight on the boat. Also book of death has Harada at the end of everything flying off into the universe. Sooo I can't get behind this theory.

Dino just said that the events in BoD don't necessarily happen.

Where did you hear this takes place during Imperium? I'm a bit behind in my reading TBH.

Renegades is supposedly 6 months after Harbinger Wars 1 or is it a month can't quite remember. To me that's still before Imperium series ended. Time lines are important this isn't starwars where they can just up and say um ya that doesn't count. Harada is alive in the future defedently till the end of Imperium so he can't die it doesn't work.

Renegades is six months after the PRS leak and downfall of Harada.

And how long does it take to get to the end of Imperium? That all seems to happen within a few months.

[nonplayer]

Ivar said you can't change what's already happened, and that time travel won't allow major interference (like killing Hitler). Everyone (baring Gilad, who is immortal) who dies, stays dead. VEI follows these rules.

What I've realized is although VEI is emphasizing the word "MAJOR" they are also using the word "Icon". That is te term they've used to describe this Summer's focus and the ICONS teaser that included XO, Faith, Bloodshot, Harada, and Shadowman. I doubt this would involve XO as his "Icons" push is already in effect with new series. Shadowman is in Rapture. Bloodshot is launching Salvation. Faith is a possibility as a Harbinger character, but also has the Future Force series coming. That leaves one "Icons" character, who's death would have a crazy impact and potentially lead to another Harbinger War: Harada.

Just food for thought.

Killing off the best bad guy in the universe would be bad for buisness also we see Harada in Imperium and this series is happening before or durring but not at the end durring the big fight on the boat. Also book of death has Harada at the end of everything flying off into the universe. Sooo I can't get behind this theory.

Dino just said that the events in BoD don't necessarily happen.

Where did you hear this takes place during Imperium? I'm a bit behind in my reading TBH.

Renegades is supposedly 6 months after Harbinger Wars 1 or is it a month can't quite remember. To me that's still before Imperium series ended. Time lines are important this isn't starwars where they can just up and say um ya that doesn't count. Harada is alive in the future defedently till the end of Imperium so he can't die it doesn't work.

Renegades is six months after the PRS leak and downfall of Harada.

Thanks Keith

[yardstick]

I think the death will be Faith.

We know she's hooking up with Neela, The Timewalker for the mini Faith and the Future Force, so right there is an 'out' for Valiant; Faith dies in Harbinger Renegade #5 but thanks to this timetravling ability with Neela, she can to go back in time just prior to the events surrounding her death and manipulate the course of events to survive, which in turn causes one of the severely wounded heroes from Harbinger Renegade #5 to die rather than recover from the injuries (whole actions have consequences butterfly affect thing).

That's my theory - probably wrong but it's fun to speculate

I think the death will be Faith.

We know she's hooking up with Neela, The Timewalker for the mini Faith and the Future Force, so right there is an 'out' for Valiant; Faith dies in Harbinger Renegade #5 but thanks to this timetravling ability with Neela, she can to go back in time just prior to the events surrounding her death and manipulate the course of events to survive, which in turn causes one of the severely wounded heroes from Harbinger Renegade #5 to die rather than recover from the injuries (whole actions have consequences butterfly affect thing).

That's my theory - probably wrong but it's fun to speculate

Suddenly I feel like I've read that before wait are we in the matrix.

You are caught in a time loop.