Dr. Tomorrow

[nycjadie]

Dallow, I hadn't known about the Hillary cover to Faith...that was something to see. A little disturbing, but noteworthy to see. Thanks for pointing it out.

Livewire has an alternative-gender character? Well, that explains the flavor of your criticism.

The issue of Faith wasn't even explicitly political, as it didn't focus on policy as much as the historic context of the 1st female to be a major party's candidate. (Of course, it ignored the fact that we have the first mentally deranged candidate from a major party as well, so maybe equal time wasn't given)

It was super weird to see Hillary on the cover, and I'm not sure there was any explanation on why she showed up there. Like most of the country, I think there was an assumption that she would win, and I'm not sure we ever heard anything official from HQ on why that happened. Super weird.

[nonplayer]

Dallow, I hadn't known about the Hillary cover to Faith...that was something to see. A little disturbing, but noteworthy to see. Thanks for pointing it out.

Livewire has an alternative-gender character? Well, that explains the flavor of your criticism.

The issue of Faith wasn't even explicitly political, as it didn't focus on policy as much as the historic context of the 1st female to be a major party's candidate. (Of course, it ignored the fact that we have the first mentally deranged candidate from a major party as well, so maybe equal time wasn't given)

It was super weird to see Hillary on the cover, and I'm not sure there was any explanation on why she showed up there. Like most of the country, I think there was an assumption that she would win, and I'm not sure we ever heard anything official from HQ on why that happened. Super weird.

Sure dropped the ball by not doing a dump cover. I mean Trump

[Dallow Spicer1]

@KJ yes there’s probably some valid points in that post that make sense. And yes there could have been been far more damage done had the 2019 writers been given XO, Harbinger etc I guess we’ll never know who chose Howard, Ayala and Visaggio but it seems safe to say Meyers chose the creative team to the latest Bloodshot which so far is poor and he’s definitely responsible for putting a first time writer in Dr Tomorrow paired with very cartoonish art so let’s see how that works out.

On the flip side, he’s got Levitz to do the Visitor and although I’ve never read his work at least he’s established. Visually though, the Visitor looks like it was thrown together in five minutes based on some Rob Liefeld rejected designs.

I don’t know anything about the writer doing XO but visually that did look good.

[TheFerg714]

I guess we’ll never know who chose Howard, Ayala and Visaggio but it seems safe to say Meyers chose the creative team to the latest Bloodshot which so far is poor and he’s definitely responsible for putting a first time writer in Dr Tomorrow paired with very cartoonish art so let’s see how that works out.

I just want to play devil's advocate for a second. Ayala was an awful choice, yes, but in DMG's defense, she did "seem to be" a "rising star" in the industry. I don't think Howard is a bad writer per se, but they gave her full reign to write about a rando side-character that literally no one liked or cared about. Although some of Visaggio's tropes (that I've seen from Ya Boi Zack's reviews) have definitely popped up, but I think she's doing a fine job on Dr. Mirage. That said, I'm not buying it, but to be fair, I wasn't a big fan of Van Meter's run either. As for the Dr. Tomorrow writer and artist, I mean come on dude, it looks like it's going to attempt to appeal to a younger audience. There's nothing wrong with getting an artist that has a more cartoon-y style. In fact, I think it's a great idea to diversify the artistic style across the Valiant line. No one wants everything to look the same.

On the flip side, he’s got Levitz to do the Visitor and although I’ve never read his work at least he’s established. Visually though, the Visitor looks like it was thrown together in five minutes based on some Rob Liefeld rejected designs.

Agreed, but MJ Kim is legit. She killed it on Faith: Dreamside.

I don’t know anything about the writer doing XO but visually that did look good.

Dennis 'Hopeless' Hallum has a bit of a reputation for living up to his nickname. He had a relatively long run on All-New X-Men, for what that's worth. The books I have read from him (Avengers Arena/Undercover) were not great.

[Oxmyx]

KJJ, excellent, excellent point about how upset everyone would be if untried and unfitting creative teams were attached to major characters too soon. I haven't read Dead Drop yet, but I get the impression that Dead Drop should be a cautionary tale

[Dallow Spicer1]

I guess we’ll never know who chose Howard, Ayala and Visaggio but it seems safe to say Meyers chose the creative team to the latest Bloodshot which so far is poor and he’s definitely responsible for putting a first time writer in Dr Tomorrow paired with very cartoonish art so let’s see how that works out.

I just want to play devil's advocate for a second. Ayala was an awful choice, yes, but in DMG's defense, she did "seem to be" a "rising star" in the industry. I don't think Howard is a bad writer per se, but they gave her full reign to write about a rando side-character that literally no one liked or cared about. Although some of Visaggio's tropes (that I've seen from Ya Boi Zack's reviews) have definitely popped up, but I think she's doing a fine job on Dr. Mirage. That said, I'm not buying it, but to be fair, I wasn't a big fan of Van Meter's run either. As for the Dr. Tomorrow writer and artist, I mean come on dude, it looks like it's going to attempt to appeal to a younger audience. There's nothing wrong with getting an artist that has a more cartoon-y style. In fact, I think it's a great idea to diversify the artistic style across the Valiant line. No one wants everything to look the same.

On the flip side, he’s got Levitz to do the Visitor and although I’ve never read his work at least he’s established. Visually though, the Visitor looks like it was thrown together in five minutes based on some Rob Liefeld rejected designs.

Agreed, but MJ Kim is legit. She killed it on Faith: Dreamside.

I don’t know anything about the writer doing XO but visually that did look good.

Dennis 'Hopeless' Hallum has a bit of a reputation for living up to his nickname. He had a relatively long run on All-New X-Men, for what that's worth. The books I have read from him (Avengers Arena/Undercover) were not great.

I think when you chain together the hires of Viyala, Howard and Visaggio it’s obvious what the key driver was and it wasn’t up and coming talent based on a proven track record, so we ended up with mediocrity.

If Dr Tomorrow is aimed at a younger audience (has this been announced?) then I think it looks the part and that’s fair enough. But when are the books coming that are aimed at the long time Valiant fans?

[GammaJosh]

I think when you chain together the hires of Viyala, Howard and Visaggio it’s obvious what the key driver was and it wasn’t up and coming talent based on a proven track record, so we ended up with mediocrity.

What exactly is the connecting thread there between Ayala, Howard and Visaggio?

[TheFerg714]

If Dr Tomorrow is aimed at a younger audience (has this been announced?) then I think it looks the part and that’s fair enough.

The main character is a kid, and like you said, the artwork is cartoon-y. I'm hoping it appeals to more people than just children, but I got the feeling that it's going to be targeted at a younger audience.

But when are the books coming that are aimed at the long time Valiant fans?

This is a great question and although I'm intrigued by Dr. Tomorrow, I'm really disappointed that it's yet another rando side character. I keep telling myself, "oh, they'll start publishing the A-listers eventually," but then they keep holding off for another month.
EDIT: At least we have Bloodshot and Rai.

[Dallow Spicer1]

If Dr Tomorrow is aimed at a younger audience (has this been announced?) then I think it looks the part and that’s fair enough.

The main character is a kid, and like you said, the artwork is cartoon-y. I'm hoping it appeals to more people than just children, but I got the feeling that it's going to be targeted at a younger audience.

But when are the books coming that are aimed at the long time Valiant fans?

This is a great question and although I'm intrigued by Dr. Tomorrow, I'm really disappointed that it's yet another rando side character. I keep telling myself, "oh, they'll start publishing the A-listers eventually," but then they keep holding off for another month.
EDIT: At least we have Bloodshot and Rai.

Are you liking this Bloodshot series after the first 2 issues?

Rai should be good based on Fallen World

[Dallow Spicer1]

I think when you chain together the hires of Viyala, Howard and Visaggio it’s obvious what the key driver was and it wasn’t up and coming talent based on a proven track record, so we ended up with mediocrity.

What exactly is the connecting thread there between Ayala, Howard and Visaggio?

Seemingly diversity hires ....Gay non-binary/gay/trans. If you think not then what’s the statistical probability of this trio of writers working for a company that puts out 6 books per month within a few months of each other?

And just to reiterate, if these 3 writers were putting out books that were better than average and Valiant sales were healthier then it would be less of an issue, however, talent should always be the only qualifier IMO!

[kjjohanson]

I think when you chain together the hires of Viyala, Howard and Visaggio it’s obvious what the key driver was and it wasn’t up and coming talent based on a proven track record, so we ended up with mediocrity.

What exactly is the connecting thread there between Ayala, Howard and Visaggio?

Seemingly diversity hires ....Gay non-binary/gay/trans. If you think not then what’s the statistical probability of this trio of writers working for a company that puts out 6 books per month within a few months of each other?

And just to reiterate, if these 3 writers were putting out books that were better than average and Valiant sales were healthier then it would be less of an issue, however, talent should always be the only qualifier IMO!

Key word being "seemingly" (to you)

[kjjohanson]

People jumping on the art for Doctor Tomorrow appear to be focusing on the one "Speed Racer" image, which looks to me more like some sort on in-story propaganda art. There are some sample story pages here:

https://majorspoilers.com/2019/11/13/va ... rettyPhoto" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No, it's not Larosa, Giordello, or Suayan. But it's not awful. And it doesn't appear (judging by the art) to be aimed at young kids.

[kjjohanson]

If Dr Tomorrow is aimed at a younger audience (has this been announced?) then I think it looks the part and that’s fair enough.

The main character is a kid, and like you said, the artwork is cartoon-y. I'm hoping it appeals to more people than just children, but I got the feeling that it's going to be targeted at a younger audience.

But when are the books coming that are aimed at the long time Valiant fans?

This is a great question and although I'm intrigued by Dr. Tomorrow, I'm really disappointed that it's yet another rando side character. I keep telling myself, "oh, they'll start publishing the A-listers eventually," but then they keep holding off for another month.
EDIT: At least we have Bloodshot and Rai.

Shadowman is in the works. (I saw art pages at NYCC.)

[TheFerg714]

Are you liking this Bloodshot series after the first 2 issues?

Rai should be good based on Fallen World

I'm sort of into the more "basic" superhero story that Seeley is going for, although I'm going to need to see something more to believe that this could go for 12+ issues. That said, I'm happy with it, it's worth $4 every month, and it's way better than most of what DMG has produced this yer.

Seemingly diversity hires ....Gay non-binary/gay/trans. If you think not then what’s the statistical probability of this trio of writers working for a company that puts out 6 books per month within a few months of each other?

And just to reiterate, if these 3 writers were putting out books that were better than average and Valiant sales were healthier then it would be less of an issue, however, talent should always be the only qualifier IMO!

I think this is the main point here. If the books were good, no one would even be talking about the fact that Valiant seems to be hiring based on diversity. Because we've been subjected to amateur-quality work, we've been forced to draw conclusions as to why that's happening.

Shadowman is in the works. (I saw art pages at NYCC.)

Yea, Shadowman, X-O, and Harbinger in all in the works, but it just feels like we've been waiting forever.

[Dallow Spicer1]

I think when you chain together the hires of Viyala, Howard and Visaggio it’s obvious what the key driver was and it wasn’t up and coming talent based on a proven track record, so we ended up with mediocrity.

What exactly is the connecting thread there between Ayala, Howard and Visaggio?

Seemingly diversity hires ....Gay non-binary/gay/trans. If you think not then what’s the statistical probability of this trio of writers working for a company that puts out 6 books per month within a few months of each other?

And just to reiterate, if these 3 writers were putting out books that were better than average and Valiant sales were healthier then it would be less of an issue, however, talent should always be the only qualifier IMO!

Key word being "seemingly" (to you)

‘Statistical probability’ are another couple of key words.

[Chiclo]

Dallow, I hadn't known about the Hillary cover to Faith...that was something to see. A little disturbing, but noteworthy to see. Thanks for pointing it out.

Livewire has an alternative-gender character? Well, that explains the flavor of your criticism.

The issue of Faith wasn't even explicitly political, as it didn't focus on policy as much as the historic context of the 1st female to be a major party's candidate. (Of course, it ignored the fact that we have the first mentally deranged candidate from a major party as well, so maybe equal time wasn't given)

It was super weird to see Hillary on the cover, and I'm not sure there was any explanation on why she showed up there. Like most of the country, I think there was an assumption that she would win, and I'm not sure we ever heard anything official from HQ on why that happened. Super weird.

In 2008, there was an Obama Spiderman cover. It sold out over and over, going into many printings. I won a copy in a raffle at a con and was polite about it but I never really cared for either character.

I think they were trying something like that - had Hillary won, that comic would likely have seen more interest and maybe more printings.

[Chiclo]

Dallow, I hadn't known about the Hillary cover to Faith...that was something to see. A little disturbing, but noteworthy to see. Thanks for pointing it out.

Livewire has an alternative-gender character? Well, that explains the flavor of your criticism.

The issue of Faith wasn't even explicitly political, as it didn't focus on policy as much as the historic context of the 1st female to be a major party's candidate. (Of course, it ignored the fact that we have the first mentally deranged candidate from a major party as well, so maybe equal time wasn't given)

*ahem* Eagleton.

Seriously, you think Trump is the first of anything to ever sit in that office? He's probably not even the first President to get a hooker to pay him.

[Dallow Spicer1]

Dallow, I hadn't known about the Hillary cover to Faith...that was something to see. A little disturbing, but noteworthy to see. Thanks for pointing it out.

Livewire has an alternative-gender character? Well, that explains the flavor of your criticism.

The issue of Faith wasn't even explicitly political, as it didn't focus on policy as much as the historic context of the 1st female to be a major party's candidate. (Of course, it ignored the fact that we have the first mentally deranged candidate from a major party as well, so maybe equal time wasn't given)

It was super weird to see Hillary on the cover, and I'm not sure there was any explanation on why she showed up there. Like most of the country, I think there was an assumption that she would win, and I'm not sure we ever heard anything official from HQ on why that happened. Super weird.

In 2008, there was an Obama Spiderman cover. It sold out over and over, going into many printings. I won a copy in a raffle at a con and was polite about it but I never really cared for either character.
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[Sunlight on Snow]

Dallow, I hadn't known about the Hillary cover to Faith...that was something to see. A little disturbing, but noteworthy to see. Thanks for pointing it out.

Livewire has an alternative-gender character? Well, that explains the flavor of your criticism.

The issue of Faith wasn't even explicitly political, as it didn't focus on policy as much as the historic context of the 1st female to be a major party's candidate. (Of course, it ignored the fact that we have the first mentally deranged candidate from a major party as well, so maybe equal time wasn't given)

*ahem* Eagleton.

Seriously, you think Trump is the first of anything to ever sit in that office? He's probably not even the first President to get a hooker to pay him.

Seriously, you're comparing someone who suffered from depression to someone who is the cause of depression.

Keep voting for Trump. There's no doubt he will make your *SQUEE* country great again.

[Jrosen]

Dallow, I hadn't known about the Hillary cover to Faith...that was something to see. A little disturbing, but noteworthy to see. Thanks for pointing it out.

Livewire has an alternative-gender character? Well, that explains the flavor of your criticism.

The issue of Faith wasn't even explicitly political, as it didn't focus on policy as much as the historic context of the 1st female to be a major party's candidate. (Of course, it ignored the fact that we have the first mentally deranged candidate from a major party as well, so maybe equal time wasn't given)

*ahem* Eagleton.

Seriously, you think Trump is the first of anything to ever sit in that office? He's probably not even the first President to get a hooker to pay him.

Seriously, you're comparing someone who suffered from depression to someone who is the cause of depression.

Keep voting for Trump. There's no doubt he will make your *SQUEE* country great again.

I'm more curious on learning what hooker paid to have sex with him, especially considering the $250,000 payments to sleep with Stormy and the Playmate.

[Chiclo]

Dallow, I hadn't known about the Hillary cover to Faith...that was something to see. A little disturbing, but noteworthy to see. Thanks for pointing it out.

Livewire has an alternative-gender character? Well, that explains the flavor of your criticism.

The issue of Faith wasn't even explicitly political, as it didn't focus on policy as much as the historic context of the 1st female to be a major party's candidate. (Of course, it ignored the fact that we have the first mentally deranged candidate from a major party as well, so maybe equal time wasn't given)

*ahem* Eagleton.

Seriously, you think Trump is the first of anything to ever sit in that office? He's probably not even the first President to get a hooker to pay him.

Seriously, you're comparing someone who suffered from depression to someone who is the cause of depression.

Keep voting for Trump. There's no doubt he will make your *SQUEE* country great again.

I'm more curious on learning what hooker paid to have sex with him, especially considering the $250,000 payments to sleep with Stormy and the Playmate.

That particular joke refers to the court decision for the President against Stormy Daniels, or more specifically, her slimy flim-flam man lawyer Michael Avenatti.

[Chiclo]

Dallow, I hadn't known about the Hillary cover to Faith...that was something to see. A little disturbing, but noteworthy to see. Thanks for pointing it out.

Livewire has an alternative-gender character? Well, that explains the flavor of your criticism.

The issue of Faith wasn't even explicitly political, as it didn't focus on policy as much as the historic context of the 1st female to be a major party's candidate. (Of course, it ignored the fact that we have the first mentally deranged candidate from a major party as well, so maybe equal time wasn't given)

*ahem* Eagleton.

Seriously, you think Trump is the first of anything to ever sit in that office? He's probably not even the first President to get a hooker to pay him.

Seriously, you're comparing someone who suffered from depression to someone who is the cause of depression.

Keep voting for Trump. There's no doubt he will make your *SQUEE* country great again.

I plan on voting in the Democrat primary and caucusing as a Democrat in March.

That did lead to an awkward conversation at the last gun show.

[kjjohanson]

Dallow, I hadn't known about the Hillary cover to Faith...that was something to see. A little disturbing, but noteworthy to see. Thanks for pointing it out.

Livewire has an alternative-gender character? Well, that explains the flavor of your criticism.

The issue of Faith wasn't even explicitly political, as it didn't focus on policy as much as the historic context of the 1st female to be a major party's candidate. (Of course, it ignored the fact that we have the first mentally deranged candidate from a major party as well, so maybe equal time wasn't given)

*ahem* Eagleton.

Seriously, you think Trump is the first of anything to ever sit in that office? He's probably not even the first President to get a hooker to pay him.

Seriously, you're comparing someone who suffered from depression to someone who is the cause of depression.

Keep voting for Trump. There's no doubt he will make your *SQUEE* country great again.

I plan on voting in the Democrat primary and caucusing as a Democrat in March.

That did lead to an awkward conversation at the last gun show.

Do you mind sharing who you will be caucusing for?

[Chiclo]

Dallow, I hadn't known about the Hillary cover to Faith...that was something to see. A little disturbing, but noteworthy to see. Thanks for pointing it out.

Livewire has an alternative-gender character? Well, that explains the flavor of your criticism.

The issue of Faith wasn't even explicitly political, as it didn't focus on policy as much as the historic context of the 1st female to be a major party's candidate. (Of course, it ignored the fact that we have the first mentally deranged candidate from a major party as well, so maybe equal time wasn't given)

*ahem* Eagleton.

Seriously, you think Trump is the first of anything to ever sit in that office? He's probably not even the first President to get a hooker to pay him.

Seriously, you're comparing someone who suffered from depression to someone who is the cause of depression.

Keep voting for Trump. There's no doubt he will make your *SQUEE* country great again.

I plan on voting in the Democrat primary and caucusing as a Democrat in March.

That did lead to an awkward conversation at the last gun show.

Do you mind sharing who you will be caucusing for?

Gabbard

[Shadowman99]

People jumping on the art for Doctor Tomorrow appear to be focusing on the one "Speed Racer" image, which looks to me more like some sort on in-story propaganda art. There are some sample story pages here:

https://majorspoilers.com/2019/11/13/va ... rettyPhoto" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No, it's not Larosa, Giordello, or Suayan. But it's not awful. And it doesn't appear (judging by the art) to be aimed at young kids.

Mixed messages on this one, that I've seen at least. There was one website that described it as 'family friendly', but the same article made it perfectly clear that this book is going to be central to a "universe-wide event" and implied in no subtle way that this title is supposed to be fitting into the VU alongside everything else... The VU ain't a 'family-friendly' place