Yet another Alien rumor

[Ryan]

Obviously, VEI has to deal with the damage that the KS fiasco is doing to their brand and standing with their audience.

That doesn't make them guilty of DMG screwing up the KS if they were not involved in it.

Yes, that's all I'm saying. I don't see the 'separation of powers' the way you do, but I'm not inside so I really don't know.

There's still the issue that any normal fan would easily be confused into thinking that DMG and Valiant are the same thing.

So it should be understandable when people who are frustrated about being ripped off direct some pointed questions toward Valiant employees. It shouldn't be seen as 'disrespect' and that fan shouldn't be skewered by other just for asking questions.

It's on Valiant to explain it better and make it clear that DMG is a separate entity and has no involvement with Valiant Comics, even when they're selling comics using the Valiant name.

[syzhang28]

Travis Escarfullery who was Valiant Director of Design and Production said "I'm not building an AR cover or explaining how it's done." once he was fired and they didn't pay him what they owed him which means he was involved with at least making that one piece of it.

Even with the little they have said we have so much evidence that Valiant was involved with the kickstarter. It was not something DMG were doing but something DMG were ordering Valiant to do.

something DMG were ordering Valiant to do.

And there it is.

The project did not originate from VEI. It originated from DMG. VEI is just dealing with DMG mismanaging the fulfillment.

Yeah man, that's how bosses work. If Hitler orders nazis to kill people the nazis are the bad guys too. famously so actually. even though they tried to say what you are "we're just following orders"

and now we've reached the nazi part of an internet debate.

Yeah, VEI are not the Nazis and DMG is not Hitler. So, chill.

The point here would be that it is not a VEI project. It was a DMG project that, in your words, VEI were ordered to do.

If a digital copy of it exists, it means that VEI did their part. They created the graphic novel. Fulfillment is up to the entity or person that created the project, the one that initiated it.

Nothing to chill about. Extrapolation is a logical and effective tool in any intellectual discussion.

Seems like you've run out of logical arguments other than "I dismiss your apt analogy and will instead repeat my oft refuted statement". Since your argument is refuted by both logic and the many statements of the creators and Valiant staff I will refrain from further beating of your horse though I do reserve the right to tackle any future points you make assuming you make any new ones and don't just ignore all the evidence and repeat yourself.

[ManofTheAtom]

Obviously, VEI has to deal with the damage that the KS fiasco is doing to their brand and standing with their audience.

That doesn't make them guilty of DMG screwing up the KS if they were not involved in it.

Yes, that's all I'm saying. I don't see the 'separation of powers' the way you do, but I'm not inside so I really don't know.

There's still the issue that any normal fan would easily be confused into thinking that DMG and Valiant are the same thing.

So it should be understandable when people who are frustrated about being ripped off direct some pointed questions toward Valiant employees. It shouldn't be seen as 'disrespect' and that fan shouldn't be skewered by other just for asking questions.

It's on Valiant to explain it better and make it clear that DMG is a separate entity and has no involvement with Valiant Comics, even when they're selling comics using the Valiant name.

Clearly, DMG has an involvement with VEI in that they own it. But the idea that DMG oversees creative decisions, storylines, who to hire, etc., I doubt very much.

It seems as if just this KS was overseen by DMG. Even syzhag78 agrees that they ordered VEI to do it.

[Chiclo]

Travis Escarfullery who was Valiant Director of Design and Production said "I'm not building an AR cover or explaining how it's done." once he was fired and they didn't pay him what they owed him which means he was involved with at least making that one piece of it.

Even with the little they have said we have so much evidence that Valiant was involved with the kickstarter. It was not something DMG were doing but something DMG were ordering Valiant to do.

something DMG were ordering Valiant to do.

And there it is.

The project did not originate from VEI. It originated from DMG. VEI is just dealing with DMG mismanaging the fulfillment.

Yeah man, that's how bosses work. If Hitler orders nazis to kill people the nazis are the bad guys too. famously so actually. even though they tried to say what you are "we're just following orders"

and now we've reached the nazi part of an internet debate.

Yeah, VEI are not the Nazis and DMG is not Hitler. So, chill.

The point here would be that it is not a VEI project. It was a DMG project that, in your words, VEI were ordered to do.

If a digital copy of it exists, it means that VEI did their part. They created the graphic novel. Fulfillment is up to the entity or person that created the project, the one that initiated it.

syzhang, stop making me agree with MotA!

[syzhang28]

Obviously, VEI has to deal with the damage that the KS fiasco is doing to their brand and standing with their audience.

That doesn't make them guilty of DMG screwing up the KS if they were not involved in it.

Yes, that's all I'm saying. I don't see the 'separation of powers' the way you do, but I'm not inside so I really don't know.

There's still the issue that any normal fan would easily be confused into thinking that DMG and Valiant are the same thing.

So it should be understandable when people who are frustrated about being ripped off direct some pointed questions toward Valiant employees. It shouldn't be seen as 'disrespect' and that fan shouldn't be skewered by other just for asking questions.

It's on Valiant to explain it better and make it clear that DMG is a separate entity and has no involvement with Valiant Comics, even when they're selling comics using the Valiant name.

Clearly, DMG has an involvement with VEI in that they own it. But the idea that DMG oversees creative decisions, storylines, who to hire, etc., I doubt very much.

It seems as if just this KS was overseen by DMG. Even syzhag78 agrees that they ordered VEI to do it.

Literally everything Valiant does is ordered or approved by DMG. That's how business works bro lol. Nobody is arguing that. You're just the only one that thinks that after that point they somehow become separate entities. You love Valiant, I get it. I do too. But Valiant have become bad people my man. DMG is bad people, and they own and control Valiant which has made Valiant into a group of people doing bad things like ripping off fans on Kickstarter.

[syzhang28]

Travis Escarfullery who was Valiant Director of Design and Production said "I'm not building an AR cover or explaining how it's done." once he was fired and they didn't pay him what they owed him which means he was involved with at least making that one piece of it.

Even with the little they have said we have so much evidence that Valiant was involved with the kickstarter. It was not something DMG were doing but something DMG were ordering Valiant to do.

something DMG were ordering Valiant to do.

And there it is.

The project did not originate from VEI. It originated from DMG. VEI is just dealing with DMG mismanaging the fulfillment.

Yeah man, that's how bosses work. If Hitler orders nazis to kill people the nazis are the bad guys too. famously so actually. even though they tried to say what you are "we're just following orders"

and now we've reached the nazi part of an internet debate.

Yeah, VEI are not the Nazis and DMG is not Hitler. So, chill.

The point here would be that it is not a VEI project. It was a DMG project that, in your words, VEI were ordered to do.

If a digital copy of it exists, it means that VEI did their part. They created the graphic novel. Fulfillment is up to the entity or person that created the project, the one that initiated it.

syzhang, stop making me agree with MotA!

lol!

[syzhang28]

Cody and Travis from Valiant "We worked on the kickstarter"

Manoftheatom "no you didn't"

Cody and Travis from Valiant "We work for DMG"

Manoftheatom "no! They are a separate company"

Cody and Travis from Valiant "We worked really hard to stop DMG *SQUEE* up the kickstarter that has our name and characters and was promoted using our email lists and social media accounts but failed because they are the bosses and make the decisions"

Manoftheatom "shhhhh, chill. I love you forever Valiant"

The creators of the kickstarter story "thank you Valiant for being so great to work with on this kickstarter book"

Manoftheatom "No! No!"

[Ryan]

Clearly, DMG has an involvement with VEI in that they own it. But the idea that DMG oversees creative decisions, storylines, who to hire, etc., I doubt very much.

It seems as if just this KS was overseen by DMG. Even syzhag78 agrees that they ordered VEI to do it.

But we can acknowledge that its confusing that there's 2 separate entities producing comics under the Valiant name, one that will rip you off with no remorse and another one that won't (hopefully).

Considering the confusion this creates, a fan shouldn't be attacked and called disrespectful when he asks questions to an employee who works for one of the Valiants, because its not been made clear to us which Valiant is responsible for what.

[Ryan]

I don't like Vincent Van Goat because I consider his existence to diminish what VALIANT should be. Should I direct that anger at some suit from the video game division of Acclaim Entertainment, or to the writer and artist that created him and the editor that approved it from the comic book division?

Is no one going to acknowledge the goat reference on pg 4? Classic

Everyone on here wants Valiant to be successful again.

But it's hard to build trust with a fanbase when the owner is using the Valiant name and characters to sell graphic novels that don't get produced or acknowledged.

It's up to the 'new' Valiant to explain the distinction and explain the circumstances. It's not the fans responsibility to figure out how there are 2 different Valiants making comics and try to figure out which one to trust.

It wouldn't be that difficult for the new Valiant to try and make amends. Even something as simple as "We're very sorry that you didn't get the items you ordered, that circumstance was beyond our control. Send us a screenshot of your Kickstarter order and we'll send you a free copy of the first book we produce, signed by the creative team."

Something like that would be not be hard to do, but it would go a long way in showing that they actually care about and respect the fans.

Instead, if people dare to ask questions they're ganged up on and called 'disrespectful'. It feels like gatekeeping to me, and that kind of stuff does not build a healthy fandom.

[Hotwire]

Damn I just came back from spending 22 months on the inside for cutting in line at a Tim Hortons (might have done some other stuff too) and this is the crap I have to come back to read?

Y’all gone soft.

[ManofTheAtom]

Clearly, DMG has an involvement with VEI in that they own it. But the idea that DMG oversees creative decisions, storylines, who to hire, etc., I doubt very much.

It seems as if just this KS was overseen by DMG. Even syzhag78 agrees that they ordered VEI to do it.

But we can acknowledge that its confusing that there's 2 separate entities producing comics under the Valiant name, one that will rip you off with no remorse and another one that won't (hopefully).

Considering the confusion this creates, a fan shouldn't be attacked and called disrespectful when he asks questions to an employee who works for one of the Valiants, because its not been made clear to us which Valiant is responsible for what.

Definitely. And that is the damage DMG's KS has done to the VALIANT brand.

[ManofTheAtom]

Damn I just came back from spending 22 months on the inside for cutting in line at a Tim Hortons (might have done some other stuff too) and this is the crap I have to come back to read?

Y’all gone soft.

I just got back here. Give it a minute...

[ManofTheAtom]

I don't like Vincent Van Goat because I consider his existence to diminish what VALIANT should be. Should I direct that anger at some suit from the video game division of Acclaim Entertainment, or to the writer and artist that created him and the editor that approved it from the comic book division?

Is no one going to acknowledge the goat reference on pg 4? Classic

Everyone on here wants Valiant to be successful again.

But it's hard to build trust with a fanbase when the owner is using the Valiant name and characters to sell graphic novels that don't get produced or acknowledged.

It's up to the 'new' Valiant to explain the distinction and explain the circumstances. It's not the fans responsibility to figure out how there are 2 different Valiants making comics and try to figure out which one to trust.

It wouldn't be that difficult for the new Valiant to try and make amends. Even something as simple as "We're very sorry that you didn't get the items you ordered, that circumstance was beyond our control. Send us a screenshot of your Kickstarter order and we'll send you a free copy of the first book we produce, signed by the creative team."

Something like that would be not be hard to do, but it would go a long way in showing that they actually care about and respect the fans.

Instead, if people dare to ask questions they're ganged up on and called 'disrespectful'. It feels like gatekeeping to me, and that kind of stuff does not build a healthy fandom.

Well, technically speaking it did get produced or otherwise it wouldn't exist as a digital file.

They just need to print it, and we just don't know who or what is holding that back, especially since the project was funded in a day.

I don't think people that paid for physical copies of this specific GN would be satisfied with anything else, nor should they be,

Did anyone from VALIANT call it disrespectful? I don't recall. I think that was another poster.

[Ryan]

Well, technically speaking it did get producer or otherwise it wouldn't exist as a digital file.

They just need to print it, and we just don't know who or what is holding that back, especially since the project was funded in a day.

I don't think people that paid for physical copies of this specific GN would be satisfied with anything else, nor should they be,

Did anyone from VALIANT call it disrespectful? I don't recall. I think that was another poster.

Yeah that's even more frustrating, the book is done so what's the possible explanation for not printing it and delivering the products that were offered and then paid for?

People are generally understanding and forgiving if you at least show that you care. The people who buy big into the Kickstarter, NFTs, etc. are the same who have invested thousands of dollars or more into Valiant over the years, why not spend at least the minimum effort to not lose them?

When people get frustrated or angry it happens because they care. They should not be vilified. It should be seen as an opportunity to turn that frustration into support, since they already care.

The worse thing is when people become apathetic, they will probably never be supportive again, as they don't care anymore. Dig into any 5-10 year old thread and you'll see tons of former fans that turned apathetic and don't even check in anymore.

Everyone on here wants Valiant to succeed, that's why we post on here at all. A frustrated person who's been a proven fan over years of posting should be listened to and discussed with, not browbeaten because he's not 'towing the line'.

[ManofTheAtom]

Well, technically speaking it did get producer or otherwise it wouldn't exist as a digital file.

They just need to print it, and we just don't know who or what is holding that back, especially since the project was funded in a day.

I don't think people that paid for physical copies of this specific GN would be satisfied with anything else, nor should they be,

Did anyone from VALIANT call it disrespectful? I don't recall. I think that was another poster.

Yeah that's even more frustrating, the book is done so what's the possible explanation for not printing it and delivering the products that were offered and then paid for?

People are generally understanding and forgiving if you at least show that you care. The people who buy big into the Kickstarter, NFTs, etc. are the same who have invested thousands of dollars or more into Valiant over the years, why not spend at least the minimum effort to not lose them?

When people get frustrated or angry it happens because they care. They should not be vilified. It should be seen as an opportunity to turn that frustration into support, since they already care.

The worse thing is when people become apathetic, they will probably never be supportive again, as they don't care anymore. Dig into any 5-10 year old thread and you'll see tons of former fans that turned apathetic and don't even check in anymore.

Everyone on here wants Valiant to succeed, that's why we post on here at all. A frustrated person who's been a proven fan over years of posting should be listened to and discussed with, not browbeaten because he's not 'towing the line'.

I think Ward has been doing just that, otherwise she wouldn't have bothered to post here.

I'm certain that there is a reason for why the graphic novel hasn't been printed, just as I'm certain that if they could speak publicly about it they would, as I'm certain that such an announcement would not be provided on a message board that doesn't get that much traffic (even though it has been the one keeping the flame alive for decades...).

I think we need to wait and see what will happen with Alien.

I'm sure when they start releasing their plants there will be interviews with sites like CBR, Newsarama, and the like, and they'll be asked about the KS and lack of fulfilment, and at that time they'll provide an answer that will either be satisfactory or it won't.

[Ryan]

Well, technically speaking it did get producer or otherwise it wouldn't exist as a digital file.

They just need to print it, and we just don't know who or what is holding that back, especially since the project was funded in a day.

I don't think people that paid for physical copies of this specific GN would be satisfied with anything else, nor should they be,

Did anyone from VALIANT call it disrespectful? I don't recall. I think that was another poster.

Yeah that's even more frustrating, the book is done so what's the possible explanation for not printing it and delivering the products that were offered and then paid for?

People are generally understanding and forgiving if you at least show that you care. The people who buy big into the Kickstarter, NFTs, etc. are the same who have invested thousands of dollars or more into Valiant over the years, why not spend at least the minimum effort to not lose them?

When people get frustrated or angry it happens because they care. They should not be vilified. It should be seen as an opportunity to turn that frustration into support, since they already care.

The worse thing is when people become apathetic, they will probably never be supportive again, as they don't care anymore. Dig into any 5-10 year old thread and you'll see tons of former fans that turned apathetic and don't even check in anymore.

Everyone on here wants Valiant to succeed, that's why we post on here at all. A frustrated person who's been a proven fan over years of posting should be listened to and discussed with, not browbeaten because he's not 'towing the line'.

I think Ward has been doing just that, otherwise she wouldn't have bothered to post here.

I'm certain that there is a reason for why the graphic novel hasn't been printed, just as I'm certain that if they could speak publicly about it they would, as I'm certain that such an announcement would not be provided on a message board that doesn't get that much traffic (even though it has been the one keeping the flame alive for decades...).

I think we need to wait and see what will happen with Alien.

I'm sure when they start releasing their plants there will be interviews with sites like CBR, Newsarama, and the like, and they'll be asked about the KS and lack of fulfilment, and at that time they'll provide an answer that will either be satisfactory or it won't.

That's cool, you want to give them the benefit of the doubt. I think some people have been burned more times already and maybe don't have any more faith left. Especially without any tangible response coming from Valiant.

All I'm saying is that we should be understanding when people are frustrated or even angry, because there are legitimate reasons for them to feel that way. Instead of turning on our own at the drop of a hat, we should try to listen and discuss things in a mature way.

[ManofTheAtom]

Well, technically speaking it did get producer or otherwise it wouldn't exist as a digital file.

They just need to print it, and we just don't know who or what is holding that back, especially since the project was funded in a day.

I don't think people that paid for physical copies of this specific GN would be satisfied with anything else, nor should they be,

Did anyone from VALIANT call it disrespectful? I don't recall. I think that was another poster.

Yeah that's even more frustrating, the book is done so what's the possible explanation for not printing it and delivering the products that were offered and then paid for?

People are generally understanding and forgiving if you at least show that you care. The people who buy big into the Kickstarter, NFTs, etc. are the same who have invested thousands of dollars or more into Valiant over the years, why not spend at least the minimum effort to not lose them?

When people get frustrated or angry it happens because they care. They should not be vilified. It should be seen as an opportunity to turn that frustration into support, since they already care.

The worse thing is when people become apathetic, they will probably never be supportive again, as they don't care anymore. Dig into any 5-10 year old thread and you'll see tons of former fans that turned apathetic and don't even check in anymore.

Everyone on here wants Valiant to succeed, that's why we post on here at all. A frustrated person who's been a proven fan over years of posting should be listened to and discussed with, not browbeaten because he's not 'towing the line'.

I think Ward has been doing just that, otherwise she wouldn't have bothered to post here.

I'm certain that there is a reason for why the graphic novel hasn't been printed, just as I'm certain that if they could speak publicly about it they would, as I'm certain that such an announcement would not be provided on a message board that doesn't get that much traffic (even though it has been the one keeping the flame alive for decades...).

I think we need to wait and see what will happen with Alien.

I'm sure when they start releasing their plants there will be interviews with sites like CBR, Newsarama, and the like, and they'll be asked about the KS and lack of fulfilment, and at that time they'll provide an answer that will either be satisfactory or it won't.

That's cool, you want to give them the benefit of the doubt. I think some people have been burned more times already and maybe don't have any more faith left. Especially without any tangible response coming from Valiant.

All I'm saying is that we should be understanding when people are frustrated or even angry, because there are legitimate reasons for them to feel that way. Instead of turning on our own at the drop of a hat, we should try to listen and discuss things in a mature way.

Of course, that goes without question.

I just think it's more productive to know who to direct that anger to.

It's like I said in my previous hypothetical. If the lack of fulfillment became a legal issue, do people know for sure that they've be suing the right entity and/or individual if they went after VALIANT Entertainment?

[Ryan]

Well, technically speaking it did get producer or otherwise it wouldn't exist as a digital file.

They just need to print it, and we just don't know who or what is holding that back, especially since the project was funded in a day.

I don't think people that paid for physical copies of this specific GN would be satisfied with anything else, nor should they be,

Did anyone from VALIANT call it disrespectful? I don't recall. I think that was another poster.

Yeah that's even more frustrating, the book is done so what's the possible explanation for not printing it and delivering the products that were offered and then paid for?

People are generally understanding and forgiving if you at least show that you care. The people who buy big into the Kickstarter, NFTs, etc. are the same who have invested thousands of dollars or more into Valiant over the years, why not spend at least the minimum effort to not lose them?

When people get frustrated or angry it happens because they care. They should not be vilified. It should be seen as an opportunity to turn that frustration into support, since they already care.

The worse thing is when people become apathetic, they will probably never be supportive again, as they don't care anymore. Dig into any 5-10 year old thread and you'll see tons of former fans that turned apathetic and don't even check in anymore.

Everyone on here wants Valiant to succeed, that's why we post on here at all. A frustrated person who's been a proven fan over years of posting should be listened to and discussed with, not browbeaten because he's not 'towing the line'.

I think Ward has been doing just that, otherwise she wouldn't have bothered to post here.

I'm certain that there is a reason for why the graphic novel hasn't been printed, just as I'm certain that if they could speak publicly about it they would, as I'm certain that such an announcement would not be provided on a message board that doesn't get that much traffic (even though it has been the one keeping the flame alive for decades...).

I think we need to wait and see what will happen with Alien.

I'm sure when they start releasing their plants there will be interviews with sites like CBR, Newsarama, and the like, and they'll be asked about the KS and lack of fulfilment, and at that time they'll provide an answer that will either be satisfactory or it won't.

That's cool, you want to give them the benefit of the doubt. I think some people have been burned more times already and maybe don't have any more faith left. Especially without any tangible response coming from Valiant.

All I'm saying is that we should be understanding when people are frustrated or even angry, because there are legitimate reasons for them to feel that way. Instead of turning on our own at the drop of a hat, we should try to listen and discuss things in a mature way.

Of course, that goes without question.

I just think it's more productive to know who to direct that anger to.

It's like I said in my previous hypothetical. If the lack of fulfillment became a legal issue, do people know for sure that they've be suing the right entity and/or individual if they went after VALIANT Entertainment?

Even if DMG Entertainment is solely to blame for the lack of kickstarter fulfillment, with no involvement from Valiant Entertainment, it's still on Valiant Entertainment to acknowledge it and try to make it good with the people who got ripped off. Because it was done by their owner using the Valiant name and Valiant Characters.

It reflects poorly on their brand and burns some of their biggest fans whether they had anything to do with it or not. I don't think ignoring it is the right way to go, but hey it's their company they can do whatever they want.

[ManofTheAtom]

Well, technically speaking it did get producer or otherwise it wouldn't exist as a digital file.

They just need to print it, and we just don't know who or what is holding that back, especially since the project was funded in a day.

I don't think people that paid for physical copies of this specific GN would be satisfied with anything else, nor should they be,

Did anyone from VALIANT call it disrespectful? I don't recall. I think that was another poster.

Yeah that's even more frustrating, the book is done so what's the possible explanation for not printing it and delivering the products that were offered and then paid for?

People are generally understanding and forgiving if you at least show that you care. The people who buy big into the Kickstarter, NFTs, etc. are the same who have invested thousands of dollars or more into Valiant over the years, why not spend at least the minimum effort to not lose them?

When people get frustrated or angry it happens because they care. They should not be vilified. It should be seen as an opportunity to turn that frustration into support, since they already care.

The worse thing is when people become apathetic, they will probably never be supportive again, as they don't care anymore. Dig into any 5-10 year old thread and you'll see tons of former fans that turned apathetic and don't even check in anymore.

Everyone on here wants Valiant to succeed, that's why we post on here at all. A frustrated person who's been a proven fan over years of posting should be listened to and discussed with, not browbeaten because he's not 'towing the line'.

I think Ward has been doing just that, otherwise she wouldn't have bothered to post here.

I'm certain that there is a reason for why the graphic novel hasn't been printed, just as I'm certain that if they could speak publicly about it they would, as I'm certain that such an announcement would not be provided on a message board that doesn't get that much traffic (even though it has been the one keeping the flame alive for decades...).

I think we need to wait and see what will happen with Alien.

I'm sure when they start releasing their plants there will be interviews with sites like CBR, Newsarama, and the like, and they'll be asked about the KS and lack of fulfilment, and at that time they'll provide an answer that will either be satisfactory or it won't.

That's cool, you want to give them the benefit of the doubt. I think some people have been burned more times already and maybe don't have any more faith left. Especially without any tangible response coming from Valiant.

All I'm saying is that we should be understanding when people are frustrated or even angry, because there are legitimate reasons for them to feel that way. Instead of turning on our own at the drop of a hat, we should try to listen and discuss things in a mature way.

Of course, that goes without question.

I just think it's more productive to know who to direct that anger to.

It's like I said in my previous hypothetical. If the lack of fulfillment became a legal issue, do people know for sure that they've be suing the right entity and/or individual if they went after VALIANT Entertainment?

Even if DMG Entertainment is solely to blame for the lack of kickstarter fulfillment, with no involvement from Valiant Entertainment, it's still on Valiant Entertainment to acknowledge it and try to make it good with the people who got ripped off. Because it was done by their owner using the Valiant name and Valiant Characters.

It reflects poorly on their brand and burns some of their biggest fans whether they had anything to do with it or not. I don't think ignoring it is the right way to go, but hey it's their company they can do whatever they want.

The digital version reflects their intent to try to mitigate the issue. I'm sure if they could have done more by now they would have.

[ManofTheAtom]

I'm reminded of when Acclaim Entertainment shut down Acclaim Comics/VALIANT and promised to release digital web comics on their website, mainly Quantum & Woody short one-pagers.

Anyone else remember that? I think I recall seeing some of them.

Acclaim Ent. owned VALIANT, and therefore they could do that, without really requiring much of a staff at a comic book division to handle it.

Who do we blame for their inability to deliver on those digital web comics? A division that really no longer existed at the time, or the owners that oversaw the project?

[Ryan]

I'm reminded of when Acclaim Entertainment shut down Acclaim Comics/VALIANT and promised to release digital web comics on their website, mainly Quantum & Woody short one-pagers.

Anyone else remember that? I think I recall seeing some of them.

Acclaim Ent. owned VALIANT, and therefore they could do that, without really requiring much of a staff at a comic book division to handle it.

Who do we blame for their inability to deliver on those digital web comics? A division that really no longer existed at the time, or the owners that oversaw the project?

It's not about blame, it's about perception.

We're just going in circles, so let me try to sum things up.

I'm saying, for the good of the company/brand/perception, in my opinion, Valiant should try to fulfill or redeem or at least acknowledge the projects that have been paid for but not delivered before they try to promote their new projects. Not because I'm personally angry (I didn't order any of the projects), but because I care about Valiant succeeding and I see that as a way that would help them make their new venture a success.

You're saying, any undelivered projects don't need to be fulfilled or acknowledged by the current Valiant Entertainment because they're a separate entity altogether.

I'm fine with leaving it there, just a difference of opinion on strategy.

Also no one is attacking Valiant or its employees. We all hope they feel comfortable to post here, but we also shouldn't have to walk on eggshells in fear of offending somebody. We're all adults and can hopefully engage in discussions where not everyone agrees all the time.

[ManofTheAtom]

I'm reminded of when Acclaim Entertainment shut down Acclaim Comics/VALIANT and promised to release digital web comics on their website, mainly Quantum & Woody short one-pagers.

Anyone else remember that? I think I recall seeing some of them.

Acclaim Ent. owned VALIANT, and therefore they could do that, without really requiring much of a staff at a comic book division to handle it.

Who do we blame for their inability to deliver on those digital web comics? A division that really no longer existed at the time, or the owners that oversaw the project?

It's not about blame, it's about perception.

We're just going in circles, so let me try to sum things up.

I'm saying, for the good of the company/brand/perception, in my opinion, Valiant should try to fulfill or redeem or at least acknowledge the projects that have been paid for but not delivered before they try to promote their new projects. Not because I'm personally angry (I didn't order any of the projects), but because I care about Valiant succeeding and I see that as a way that would help them make their new venture a success.

You're saying, any undelivered projects don't need to be fulfilled or acknowledged by the current Valiant Entertainment because they're a separate entity altogether.

I'm fine with leaving it there, just a difference of opinion on strategy.

Also no one is attacking Valiant or its employees. We all hope they feel comfortable to post here, but we also shouldn't have to walk on eggshells in fear of offending somebody. We're all adults and can hopefully engage in discussions where not everyone agrees all the time.

I'm not saying that at all, though.

They of course need to be fulfilled. People paid for it. All I'm saying is that the right person and/or entity needs to be held accountable.

If the project did not originate with VALIANT Entertainment, and if VEI did not take the money from the KS, then they cannot be held responsible.

This is clearly damaging their brand and standing, but if they cannot fix it because it was their parent company that put them into this situation, then they can't do anything about it.

The tail cannot wag the dog, as it were.

[Ryan]

I'm reminded of when Acclaim Entertainment shut down Acclaim Comics/VALIANT and promised to release digital web comics on their website, mainly Quantum & Woody short one-pagers.

Anyone else remember that? I think I recall seeing some of them.

Acclaim Ent. owned VALIANT, and therefore they could do that, without really requiring much of a staff at a comic book division to handle it.

Who do we blame for their inability to deliver on those digital web comics? A division that really no longer existed at the time, or the owners that oversaw the project?

It's not about blame, it's about perception.

We're just going in circles, so let me try to sum things up.

I'm saying, for the good of the company/brand/perception, in my opinion, Valiant should try to fulfill or redeem or at least acknowledge the projects that have been paid for but not delivered before they try to promote their new projects. Not because I'm personally angry (I didn't order any of the projects), but because I care about Valiant succeeding and I see that as a way that would help them make their new venture a success.

You're saying, any undelivered projects don't need to be fulfilled or acknowledged by the current Valiant Entertainment because they're a separate entity altogether.

I'm fine with leaving it there, just a difference of opinion on strategy.

Also no one is attacking Valiant or its employees. We all hope they feel comfortable to post here, but we also shouldn't have to walk on eggshells in fear of offending somebody. We're all adults and can hopefully engage in discussions where not everyone agrees all the time.

I'm not saying that at all, though.

They of course need to be fulfilled. People paid for it. All I'm saying is that the right person and/or entity needs to be held accountable.

If the project did not originate with VALIANT Entertainment, and if VEI did not take the money from the KS, then they cannot be held responsible.

This is clearly damaging their brand and standing, but if they cannot fix it because it was their parent company that put them into this situation, then they can't do anything about it.

The tail cannot wag the dog, as it were.

Ok, I can see where you're coming from. It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall at the Valiant/DMG meetings, that's for sure

[ManofTheAtom]

I'm reminded of when Acclaim Entertainment shut down Acclaim Comics/VALIANT and promised to release digital web comics on their website, mainly Quantum & Woody short one-pagers.

Anyone else remember that? I think I recall seeing some of them.

Acclaim Ent. owned VALIANT, and therefore they could do that, without really requiring much of a staff at a comic book division to handle it.

Who do we blame for their inability to deliver on those digital web comics? A division that really no longer existed at the time, or the owners that oversaw the project?

It's not about blame, it's about perception.

We're just going in circles, so let me try to sum things up.

I'm saying, for the good of the company/brand/perception, in my opinion, Valiant should try to fulfill or redeem or at least acknowledge the projects that have been paid for but not delivered before they try to promote their new projects. Not because I'm personally angry (I didn't order any of the projects), but because I care about Valiant succeeding and I see that as a way that would help them make their new venture a success.

You're saying, any undelivered projects don't need to be fulfilled or acknowledged by the current Valiant Entertainment because they're a separate entity altogether.

I'm fine with leaving it there, just a difference of opinion on strategy.

Also no one is attacking Valiant or its employees. We all hope they feel comfortable to post here, but we also shouldn't have to walk on eggshells in fear of offending somebody. We're all adults and can hopefully engage in discussions where not everyone agrees all the time.

I'm not saying that at all, though.

They of course need to be fulfilled. People paid for it. All I'm saying is that the right person and/or entity needs to be held accountable.

If the project did not originate with VALIANT Entertainment, and if VEI did not take the money from the KS, then they cannot be held responsible.

This is clearly damaging their brand and standing, but if they cannot fix it because it was their parent company that put them into this situation, then they can't do anything about it.

The tail cannot wag the dog, as it were.

Ok, I can see where you're coming from. It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall at the Valiant/DMG meetings, that's for sure

Definitely.

[corey]

I have read these threads , and for the life of me I cannot figure out why anyone cares this much about rumors/info.

I mean honestly who cares? Why do you care so much to make it a big argument?

Why not just hope for the best(which i have been doing since dmg took over. )

Life will go on no matter who is right or wrong,

Actually nobody is debating about the rumors at all. We're just debating who's actually in charge at Valiant and who (if anybody) should be responsible for ripping off the fans, by paying for products that are promised but never delivered.

Obviously the people discussing and debating it care, if you don't you're free not to read.

I actually do care, but where is our caring going to get us?
Absolutely nowhere.dmg/valiant do not care about the consumer(only in the sense that they get money from us).

I'm just honestly flabbergasted that people have spent alot of time trying to figure out who to blame?
Who cares? It's not going to magically make anything better.

But I am off the same mind of zyzhang.


Just glad I didn't waste money of the KS. I almost went pretty big though lol