Poll to settle the Alien v DMG debate!

[Ryan]

Admit that Iron Man and X-O aren't in the same universe, or we can't move forward with this discussion.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I imagine you're bringing up something that was said a while ago that, clearly, stayed with you.

Either way, I don't address ad hominem attacks.

No you just use them constantly.

Anyway we can't go forward until you admit that you think Iron Man and X-O are in the same universe, and you want Alien to be Marvel-lite. Until then your opinions are invalid.

[TheFerg714]

The real argument was about the (lack of) quality of Alien comics vs the (lack of) quality of DMG comics. But since people didn't want to honestly engage in that discussion, either because they like them but can't defend them or they just don't read them but want to promote them anyway, they shift the argument to something that it was never about. And here we are.

It's never really been about that man. This is just your go-to fallback argument when you can't argue the actual point. You're literally the one shifting here. Just look at the poll. It doesn't mention the perceived quality of the books.

[Ryan]

The real argument was about the (lack of) quality of Alien comics vs the (lack of) quality of DMG comics. But since people didn't want to honestly engage in that discussion, either because they like them but can't defend them or they just don't read them but want to promote them anyway, they shift the argument to something that it was never about. And here we are.

It's never really been about that man. This is just your go-to fallback argument when you can't argue the actual point. You're literally the one shifting here. Just look at the poll. It doesn't mention the perceived quality of the books.

That's all I was ever commenting about. The quality of the comics and how they are worse than DMG. You all are the ones who made it about "YoU SaiD tHeY'rE thE SaMe CoMpAnY" when no one would say or think that.

[Chiclo]

This thread has ended, the argument is lost and by posting in this thread again, I am part of the problem, but once more unto the breach.

Ad hominem attacks only show an inability to admit you lost the argument.

Your lack of self-awareness here is mind-bottling.

[ManofTheAtom]

This thread has ended, the argument is lost and by posting in this thread again, I am part of the problem, but once more unto the breach.

Ad hominem attacks only show an inability to admit you lost the argument.

Your lack of self-awareness here is mind-bottling.

I've yet to engage in any ad hominem attacks.

I've focused on the actual discussion. When I said that Alien and DMG are not the same company, the fool called me crazy and Ryan accused me of lying. Now Ryan refuses to acknowledge what he said.

[ManofTheAtom]

The real argument was about the (lack of) quality of Alien comics vs the (lack of) quality of DMG comics. But since people didn't want to honestly engage in that discussion, either because they like them but can't defend them or they just don't read them but want to promote them anyway, they shift the argument to something that it was never about. And here we are.

It's never really been about that man. This is just your go-to fallback argument when you can't argue the actual point. You're literally the one shifting here. Just look at the poll. It doesn't mention the perceived quality of the books.

That's all I was ever commenting about. The quality of the comics and how they are worse than DMG. You all are the ones who made it about "YoU SaiD tHeY'rE thE SaMe CoMpAnY" when no one would say or think that.

When I said they're not the same company, you responded that there is no truth to the claim that they are separate entities. Prior to that, the fool called me crazy for saying it. So two people most certainly argued that they are, and you were one of them.

[ManofTheAtom]

I agree with Ryan's desire for us to focus on discussing the CONTENT of the comics, but, for some reason, he keeps bringing up this concluded argument. He did it in the last few days when he denied that anyone claimed that Alien and DMG are the same company.

He and the fool did it when I said that they are not in response to his accusing me of shilling for Alien by posting links here to their promotions of the comics. That's it.

It's really up to him to stop bringing it up. He doesn't even have to admit that he is backtracking his previous counterargument that they are. Clearly, he is not inclined to.

So, let's just move on and discuss Resurgence when it comes out next week and leave this as is.

[TheFerg714]

That's all I was ever commenting about. The quality of the comics and how they are worse than DMG. You all are the ones who made it about "YoU SaiD tHeY'rE thE SaMe CoMpAnY" when no one would say or think that.

Then simply stop arguing my guy... The overall quality really has nothing to do with the conversation at hand. It's so great that you think the quality is equal or lesser than DMG's. I'm really proud of you for having such a controversial stance, and I'm really sorry to say this, but no one cares. Save those thoughts for threads about the overall quality, reviews, and such.

[Chiclo]

This thread has ended, the argument is lost and by posting in this thread again, I am part of the problem, but once more unto the breach.

Ad hominem attacks only show an inability to admit you lost the argument.

Your lack of self-awareness here is mind-bottling.

I've yet to engage in any ad hominem attacks.

I've focused on the actual discussion. When I said that Alien and DMG are not the same company, the fool called me crazy and Ryan accused me of lying. Now Ryan refuses to acknowledge what he said.

My focus was more on the second half than the first. Ad hominem attacks are not the only evidence of an inability to admit that you lost the argument. Some might see special user-specific board rules and graphics as one such sign. Some might see my returning to this thread as an ability to give up a circular argument.

Would accusing someone of just wanting DC-lite count as an ad hominem attack? The accusation would seek to invalidate the claim because of personal flaws in the source of the claim. (I am not saying that you, MotA, are using this particular ad hominem attack in this multi-thread season of polemic, but you do have a long and documented history of relying on this particular argument that probably is an ad hominem attack.)

[ManofTheAtom]

This thread has ended, the argument is lost and by posting in this thread again, I am part of the problem, but once more unto the breach.

Ad hominem attacks only show an inability to admit you lost the argument.

Your lack of self-awareness here is mind-bottling.

I've yet to engage in any ad hominem attacks.

I've focused on the actual discussion. When I said that Alien and DMG are not the same company, the fool called me crazy and Ryan accused me of lying. Now Ryan refuses to acknowledge what he said.

My focus was more on the second half than the first. Ad hominem attacks are not the only evidence of an inability to admit that you lost the argument. Some might see special user-specific board rules and graphics as one such sign. Some might see my returning to this thread as an ability to give up a circular argument.

Would accusing someone of just wanting DC-lite count as an ad hominem attack? The accusation would seek to invalidate the claim because of personal flaws in the source of the claim. (I am not saying that you, MotA, are using this particular ad hominem attack in this multi-thread season of polemic, but you do have a long and documented history of relying on this particular argument that probably is an ad hominem attack.)

Irrelevant to the topic at hand as no such claims have been made on my part.

My contribution to the argument has focused exclusively on statements made by myself and others about the topic being discussed.

When I said that Alien and DMG are not the same company, the fool called me crazy and Ryan said that there is no truth to my claim.

To Ryan, just out of curiosity, what was your expected outcome from making that counterargument? Did you expect me to agree that Alien and DMG are in fact the same company based solely on the former hiring the latter's editor?

[Ryan]

That's all I was ever commenting about. The quality of the comics and how they are worse than DMG. You all are the ones who made it about "YoU SaiD tHeY'rE thE SaMe CoMpAnY" when no one would say or think that.

Then simply stop arguing my guy... The overall quality really has nothing to do with the conversation at hand. It's so great that you think the quality is equal or lesser than DMG's. I'm really proud of you for having such a controversial stance, and I'm really sorry to say this, but no one cares.

LOL 'no one cares' yet you and your buddy spend 50+ pages of discussion just because I had the audacity to say:

"There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities. For example, the current Alien Editor in Chief was already a Senior Editor as far back as Harbinger 1(2021) and probably earlier."

That's the exact quote, argue against that.

Sorry that you're so triggered by my opinion and you guys have no response so you have to create the ad hominem argument "YoU SaiD tHeY'rE thE SaMe CoMpAnY".

I guess I'm flattered that you care so much about my opinion though

[Ryan]

Irrelevant to the topic at hand as no such claims have been made on my part.

My contribution to the argument has focused exclusively on statements made by myself and others about the topic being discussed.

When I said that Alien and DMG are not the same company, the fool called me crazy and Ryan said that there is no truth to my claim.

To Ryan, just out of curiosity, what was your expected outcome from making that counterargument? Did you expect me to agree that Alien and DMG are in fact the same company based solely on the former hiring the latter's editor?

I'm flattered that you care so much about my opinion. Here's the quote that made you lose your mind for 2 weeks, in case you forgot:

"There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities. For example, the current Alien Editor in Chief was already a Senior Editor as far back as Harbinger 1(2021) and probably earlier."

But here's the quote you want to argue against, since you have no legitimate response:

"YoU SaiD tHeY'rE thE SaMe CoMpAnY"

Have a good day

[ManofTheAtom]

Irrelevant to the topic at hand as no such claims have been made on my part.

My contribution to the argument has focused exclusively on statements made by myself and others about the topic being discussed.

When I said that Alien and DMG are not the same company, the fool called me crazy and Ryan said that there is no truth to my claim.

To Ryan, just out of curiosity, what was your expected outcome from making that counterargument? Did you expect me to agree that Alien and DMG are in fact the same company based solely on the former hiring the latter's editor?

I'm flattered that you care so much about my opinion. Here's the quote that made you lose your mind for 2 weeks, in case you forgot:

"There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities. For example, the current Alien Editor in Chief was already a Senior Editor as far back as Harbinger 1(2021) and probably earlier."

But here's the quote you want to argue against, since you have no legitimate response:

"YoU SaiD tHeY'rE thE SaMe CoMpAnY"

Have a good day

Alien and DMG are separate entities/not the same company, Ryan. Alien hiring Hawkins does not change that. It is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of fact.

[ManofTheAtom]

LOL 'no one cares' yet you and your buddy spend 50+ pages of discussion just because I had the audacity to say:

"There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities. For example, the current Alien Editor in Chief was already a Senior Editor as far back as Harbinger 1(2021) and probably earlier."

That's the exact quote, argue against that.

That was you arguing against me saying that they are separate companies.

I'm not going to indulge your lunacy of blaming one company for the failings of another. Alien had nothing to do with DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They weren't around when they happened. They only recently became involved with publishing VALIANT comics.

Alien is NOT DMG, and that is a fact.

Just because they hired members of VALIANT's editorial staff and retained the same continuity from before does NOT make them the same.

[TheFerg714]

LOL 'no one cares' yet you and your buddy spend 50+ pages of discussion

no, no, no... you completely misunderstand. On the topic of whether DMG or Alien is the same company, and within the context of threads dedicated to that topic, I very much care about what you're saying. I care because you're demonstrably wrong.

On the topic of the QUALITY of the books, and within the context of the topic of DMG and Alien being different, I don't care at all. It has no relevance to the topic at hand.

"There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities. For example, the current Alien Editor in Chief was already a Senior Editor as far back as Harbinger 1(2021) and probably earlier."

That's the exact quote, argue against that.

And now we're going in circles again... They are separate entities. They carry some of the same names, including the EiC, but many other leadership positions have changed. As for the books, they look and feel different, there's been a renewed focus on continuity and interconnectivity, Alien has brought back several VEI writers, the artists are mostly all European now (and sometimes manga-inspired), there's an actual *SQUEE*!ng major event happening (which hasn't occured since 2018), and Alien employees have said that DMG doesn't care about the comics anymore.

Notice how I listed several reasons why you're wrong and your logic is faulty? I've said all of this *SQUEE* a thousand times, and yet you still keep going back to the "oh yea, well Lysa Hawkins is still the editor, so nothing has changed."

Sorry that you're so triggered by my opinion and you guys have no response so you have to create the ad hominem argument "YoU SaiD tHeY'rE thE SaMe CoMpAnY".

That's not an ad hominem argument, and I haven't ever used one.

Bottom line: there is truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are separate entities.

[ManofTheAtom]

On the topic of the QUALITY of the books, and within the context of the topic of DMG and Alien being different, I don't care at all. It has no relevance to the topic at hand.

I look forward to wrapping up the current topic so we can move on to that other one.

[ManofTheAtom]

Let's just end this here and no one need say any more about it.