Opinions needed about CGC'ing my X-Men 12

siren3-4 · Post by **siren3-4** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 3:24 pm

OK, I have never even held a CGC book in my hands. I see them on ebay and I see the price differences they sometimes make, so I figured I would ask the good people here their opinion.

I have decided to start just going after the classic silver age Spidey issues I have always wanted (This love affair goes back a very long way) I am going to start selling my other old marvel titles and I am not really sure if I should use the CGC method or just to sell them the natural way. I have owned most of them since I was in my late teens. (now I wish I had spent every paycheck from back then on my "hobby")

I know that scans don't tell the whole story, but If this can give anyone a good idea of the condition I would really love to hear your opinions. I have never been good at grading, sumtimes I am way to harsh and I am sure that at other times I look at my comics with google eyes.

I am just wondering if you think it is worth the time, effort and money to get the book CGC'ed. I made the scan a little smaller to fit here but I can give a bigger scan if it would help.

Thanks for your time,

- Mike
siren34

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 3:31 pm

Maybe it's just the computer I'm using right now, but a bigger scan might help. From what I can see, it looks like it would be anywhere between 7.5-9.2. The only issues I see are a few non color breaking spine creases and possibly a little over hang damage to the top. If it's likely to get anything less than a 8.0, I'm not sure if it would be worth sending. Escaflown knows the X-men CGC vs non\CGC market real well. He could give you a reliable answer on whether or not to send it.

siren3-4 · Post by **siren3-4** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 3:51 pm

400yrs wrote:Maybe it's just the computer I'm using right now, but a bigger scan might help. From what I can see, it looks like it would be anywhere between 7.5-9.2. The only issues I see are a few non color breaking spine creases and possibly a little over hang damage to the top. If it's likely to get anything less than a 8.0, I'm not sure if it would be worth sending. Escaflown knows the X-men CGC vs non\CGC market real well. He could give you a reliable answer on whether or not to send it.

Thanks a lot for looking. I swapped the scan with a larger one, I hope that helps. Is the value affected by the fold of the comic being a little off ? What is overhang damage ?

Thanks again,
Mike

ckb · Post by **ckb** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 4:15 pm

Looks like an 8.0 to a 9.0. Worth sending in either way. Hell it's worth sending it in down to 7.0.

mrwoogieman · Post by **mrwoogieman** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 5:53 pm

My best guess on the grade from CGC for this book would be 7.0 to 8.0. Certainly worth sending in I should think.

Good luck, and post a scan when you get it back.

siren3-4 · Post by **siren3-4** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 6:50 pm

Thanks everybody. I will send it in and post a scan here with the results.

Praying for a good grade

- Mike

Peter Parker · Post by **Peter Parker** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:49 pm

I'd guess that CGC would grade the book a VF- 7.5...

nice book

myron · Post by **myron** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:08 pm

sweet book...send it...

Heath · Post by **Heath** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:27 pm

I have a related question... Does CGC have a higher standard when grading modern books compared to silver or golden age books? Hypothetically speaking, if someone sent in a copy of a book printed a year ago and it was in the EXACT same condition as siren3-4's X-Men 12, would it get a lower grade or the same grade?

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:10 pm

Heath wrote:I have a related question... Does CGC have a higher standard when grading modern books compared to silver or golden age books? Hypothetically speaking, if someone sent in a copy of a book printed a year ago and it was in the EXACT same condition as siren3-4's X-Men 12, would it get a lower grade or the same grade?

Probably would grade lower than the older book.

This is something that bugs me about 3rd party grading - standards are standards, rarity means nothing when defining a set of rules for grading, IMO. I personally think that the value should be reflected in the pricing of older books, IOW if a modern at 9.4 is 125% the price of a 9.2, then a Silver-age comic should be valued (price-guide) at 125% at the 9.0 mark, and for Golden-age books then the 125% mark should be in the 8.0 range. I am just using these numbers for an example, PLEASE don't hold me to them!

-slym

stone384 · Post by **stone384** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:26 am

I have related ques about the process. I have zero experience w/ CGCing so bare with me. I have 2 x-men 94's I am thinking about slabbing. My ques.: do I pay for all shipping? What's it cost? Does cost change w/ value of book? Does xm94 5.0 cost me the same as xm 9.0? The dude in charge of cgc @ my @ my lcs says he could include my books with their next shipment, but he's a bit of a tool & I would rather do it myself. Any pros or cons with that? Last ques, any reason to cgc for preservation reasons or only to sell?

Whew!!
Thanks
Matt

stone384 · Post by **stone384** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:29 am

I have related ques about the process. I have zero experience w/ CGCing so bare with me. I have 2 x-men 94's I am thinking about slabbing. My ques.: do I pay for all shipping? What's it cost? Does cost change w/ value of book? Does xm94 5.0 cost me the same as xm94 9.0? The dude in charge of cgc @ my lcs says he could include my books with their next shipment, but he's a bit of a tool & I would rather do it myself. Any pros or cons with that? Last ques, any reason to cgc for preservation reasons or only to sell?

Whew!!
Thanks
Matt

stone384 · Post by **stone384** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:31 am

I have related ques about the process. I have zero experience w/ CGCing so bare with me. I have 2 x-men 94's I am thinking about slabbing. My ques.: do I pay for all shipping? What's it cost? Does cost change w/ value of book? Does xm94 5.0 cost me the same as xm94 9.0? The dude in charge of cgc @ my lcs says he could include my books with their next shipment, but he's a bit of a tool & I would rather do it myself. Any pros or cons with that? Last ques, any reason to cgc for preservation reasons or only to sell?

Whew!!
Thanks
Matt

Schmakt · Post by **Schmakt** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:36 am

pretty sure that Mylites + Acid-Free backers preserve at least as well as a CGC slab... wouldn't really slab for any reason other than to sell. Unless you're worried about someone reading the books and, thereby, lowering the grade. Then a slab will work wonders.

And, I think, it might be cheaper for you to send in your books with the lot from your LCS.

and, hey, if one of those 94's is looking for a new home, let me know.

Schmakt · Post by **Schmakt** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:37 am

Sorry... double post... getting weird errors from the board...

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:39 am

You can get them slabbed yourself, there's two ways to go about it. The price of slabbing is based on the estimated OSPG value of the book, CGC has a tier system. You'll pay shipping both ways. CGC's website has all of this under "submitting your comics." It also tells you how to correctly package your comics for shipping. If you're only looking for preservation, I'd recommend Mylars with a buffered backing board over CGC cases. If you're looking to sell, CGC is the bet.

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:40 am

Link:

http://www.cgccomics.com/

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:10 pm

X-O HoboJoe wrote:The price of slabbing is based on the estimated OSPG value of the book, CGC has a tier system.

That's something else that bugs me about CGC - why does slabbing a comic that's "valued" at $1000 cost more than one worth cover price? Isn't the slabbing process the same? I would love to know...

-slym

Schmakt · Post by **Schmakt** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:47 pm

slym2none wrote:
X-O HoboJoe wrote:The price of slabbing is based on the estimated OSPG value of the book, CGC has a tier system.
That's something else that bugs me about CGC - why does slabbing a comic that's "valued" at $1000 cost more than one worth cover price? Isn't the slabbing process the same? I would love to know...

-slym

yeah, that *SQUEE* me off too... the only viable reason I can think of is that, when dealing with more expensive books, their liabiliy increases, ergo the price increases...

stone384 · Post by **stone384** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:19 pm

So the cost is about the same if I go thru my LCS or use one of the discount sites? Thanks you guys rock.

Matt
By the way I will selling the lower grade xm 94. Email or PM me for details if interested