What else do you collect?

dave · Post by **dave** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:31 am

ever see that commercial where the couple has created a piece of art that's hanging on their wall made from the discs that come in the mail??? that wasn't you was it shakes?

mmmm...salsa...i reuse my rosarita jars as drinking glasses (they are like mason jars) they almost never break as opposed to all those glass sets my wife and i have purchased over the years...

qrnd · Post by **qrnd** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:48 am

Shakespeare wrote: I keep the exotic bottles from salsa I've eaten and use them as decorations in my kitchen. Now that I'm mostly done with Valiant, I only have one side hobby that I'm sure sonicdan can appreciate...AOL discs. Laugh if you want. I allow myself this silly hobby because...
1) It's entirely free
2) These are the only phycial artifacts from the beginning of the modern internet, which has completely altered society.
3) What people throw away today is collectible tomorrow, and boy are those things thrown away
4) It only takes up one paperbox in my house, as opposed to comics which take up more than a dozen long boxes
5) some are actually quite attractive, or have tie-ins (LOTR, for example)
6) I've spent less than an hour of my life sorting and collecting them

S

While I dont have all the early ones, I have 3.5 disks for the DOS versions of AOL and Compuserve, plus disks for many of the rarer online services around the very early ninties. I wouldnt mind trading them if I can find them in my house.

R Daneel · Post by **R Daneel** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 12:16 pm

DawgPhan wrote:OHIO STATE? man that hurts....anyway I am about to hijack my own thread here but....how do you feel about clarrett? I know how I feel about that sorry piece of $hit, but how do you feel being a OSU fan. I am hoping that someone does draft and sign him to a small contract and the first day of camp some some grown man takes offense to this young punk trying to play his game and seriously injures him....I do not think that he knows what he is doing and that stupid judge has no idea what she was talking about and was just going by the letter of the law which I still think that she misinterrepted....oh yeah I will be collecting clarrett fails stuff in about a year.

Caveat emptor.

Ouch. I'm a little bit different when it comes to my MoC feelings compared to most other OSU fans ... but I'll wait on that explanation.

Simply playing devil's advocate here - why don't you do not like MoC and the decisions he's making? You probably feel that he is pompus and arrogant for even thinking he can play at the next level right now? I doubt you feel any anger towards him for leaving the OSU early, like a lot of OSU fans do.

While it pains me to say it - ready or not for the NFL - he should have the option of entering the NFL draft. I'm not an anti-trust lawyer or scholar, but I think the basic premise of not allowing MoC in is wrong. My opinion: LET THE MARKETPLACE DICTATE. If MoC is going to get is neck broken in his first season of play, then what value does he have? Very little, and the NFL teams who are drafting him better be smart about it. Why should Maurice not have the option to enter the draft? What other major sports have this rule? You cannot argue the way the NFL does and say it is for the kids protection, that is ludicrus and asnine. Maurice is more physically ready to play than many of the people who will be drafted in April. Michael Vick came into the league less than a year older than Maurice is now, and has been a hit. Yes, he did break a leg, but I don't believe it was the result of the grown men of the NFL breaking it. People physically mature at different rates. That doesn't mean even the most mature 20 year old can hold a candle to the Ray Lewis's and Bill Romanowski's of the league, but I don't think it is any different than the comparison you'd make of those two versus Eli Manning or Larry Fitzgerald.

I'm a sad that MoC won't be back? Yea. Did I allow myself to become bitter or mad in the past because of this? For sure. Was I *SQUEE* when I heard the things MoC did to get suspended for the 2003 year? Very. I'd rather wring the neck of the jerk who even tempted and gave him those benefits though.

I'm over it now, because I feel like I see the bigger picture. I don't buy into all the crap about how MoC's early entry will open the floodgates of highscoolers. If anything, you'll see the occasional Soph. coming out early. Plenty of people will make the mistake and come out early, and ruin an education or a chance to play and get better before entering the draft. Caveat emptor, let the buyer beware. I wish the best for Maurice. Without him, we do not win the 2002 NC. With him in 2003, I say we repeat.

"Here’s wishing only the best for the running back who brought the Buckeyes their first national title in 34 years. Those fans brewing with bitterness need to remember that. There is no 2002 national championship without Clarett. For one season at least, the kid delivered."
- Rob Oller, Columbus Dispatch

Consider this hijacked.

myron · Post by **myron** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 12:24 pm

I would have to say though, in most of MoC interviews of late, he comes off as an ignorant, uneducated, immature, greedy child (sorry about reduncancies). I don't know (or truly care) if that is being done purposefully by the interviewers or not, but that, IMHO, is the biggest drawback to him entering the draft.

qrnd · Post by **qrnd** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 12:46 pm

Wow, has this topic had a change in shift. Its about time to relocate it into another topic!

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 1:43 pm

yeah I knew I was about to hijack this thread but oh well...I saw OSU and I love college football I figured why not..it is not all that often I get to chat with someone who likes OSU. About "MoC" as you called him. You are right I do think that he is a pompus a$$ who had everything that most little boys dream of and he wasted it all because he could not keep his big mouth shut. Also I do not think that the judge had the right to change the rule because it was part of a collective bargining agreement between the league and the players union...also the judge stated that there is no where else no a player to go besides the NFL when there are several leagues that operate in the US and overseas. Also I will remind you of another freshman phenom...Herschel Walker. Rushed for 1616 yards his freshman season and helped his team win the national title. UGA played for 3 national titles during the walker years and with walker nearly winning 3 straight heismans...george rogers and marcus allen's 2000 yard season standing in the way. Yet no one has ever said that he was ready earlier than his junior season. He was a man among boys when he played. I doubt that the same has been said of MoC. Walker has also become an oppenent of NFL teams drafting underclassmen even though he himself left early...saying that if those players go bust then they are left with nothing to fall back. Walker also says that NFL teams should forced to pay for school of these underclassmen that they draft. Walker went back to school after his first year in the pros to finish a degree in criminal justice. I fear for next year after having this ruling for a year the agents will be like sharks circling the high schools trying to whiser sweet seven figure nothings into these boys ears...we will really see how great in idea this was.

R Daneel · Post by **R Daneel** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:18 pm

DawgPhan wrote:no one has ever said that he [Walker] was ready earlier than his junior season. He was a man among boys when he played. I doubt that the same has been said of MoC.

IMHO, you are missing the point. Its not about what a bunch of desk-jockeys say, it has nothing to do with their opinions of being ready or not ready ... regardless of MoC being ready, he should be allowed the opportunity. In no other sport are there laws limiting people from making money at their craft. That is what the anti-trust laws are there to prevent. I'm not saying YOU are ignorant, but I'm saying that is the most ignorant thing I hear when these discussions come up ... a kid being ready. If they are not ready, who is forcing teams to draft them?????? MoC is not elgible to play college football right now, so why must he sit around because the NFL unfairly restricts entry into the draft because he has not been out of high scool for 3 NFL seasons? Every year there are high schoolers that enter the NBA draft, and they bomb. Is that reason to bar them from entry? Of course not. Hundreds and thousands more take a stab at MLB and the MLB draft, but that doesn't mean we enact rules to storp them from trying.

DawgPhan wrote:Walker has also become an oppenent of NFL teams drafting underclassmen even though he himself left early...saying that if those players go bust then they are left with nothing to fall back. Walker also says that NFL teams should forced to pay for school of these underclassmen that they draft. Walker went back to school after his first year in the pros to finish a degree in criminal justice.

You answered your own question. What is keeping kids from going back to school? Walker left early, and went back. Plenty of people leave early, in all sports, and go back getting degrees. Regardless of MoC's public speaking ability, his ghetto background and speaking tone, he is a smart kid. He graduated High School early to enroll at Ohio State earlier than everyone else in his class. His GPA and test scores were nowhere near boarderline like plenty of other recruits. He might not be a scholar, but he is no dummy. What is he supposed to do right now? Languish, drop out of school, his the streets while his football days pass him by? He's fighting the system just like others have before him, and just wanting his chance to make a living like other did before him in the NFL and like others do in any of the other major sports.

DawgPhan wrote:I fear for next year after having this ruling for a year the agents will be like sharks circling the high schools trying to whiser sweet seven figure nothings into these boys ears...we will really see how great in idea this was.

Gee, its been happening in basketball and baseball for a long time, god forbid it happens in football? Is that what you are saying? I think there is a slight difference between a 17 year old on a pro football field and a 20/21 year old on a pro football field ... come on be serious, I'm really trying to be.

I guess I will bow out of this one, its pretty apparent you aren't interested in really talking about this, you just want to sensationalize things and simplify it down to things that have nothing to do with the original subject. Scouts at high schools have nothing to do with MoC earning a living playing football in the NFL.

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:55 pm

DawgPhan wrote:no one has ever said that he [Walker] was ready earlier than his junior season. He was a man among boys when he played. I doubt that the same has been said of MoC

R Daneel wrote:
IMHO, you are missing the point. Its not about what a bunch of desk-jockeys say, it has nothing to do with their opinions of being ready or not ready ... regardless of MoC being ready, he should be allowed the opportunity. In no other sport are there laws limiting people from making money at their craft. That is what the anti-trust lawns are there to prevent. I'm not saying YOU are ignorant, but I'm saying that is the most ignorant thing I hear when these discussions come up ... a kid being ready. If they are not ready, who is forcing teams to draft them?????? MoC is not elgible to play college football right now, so why must he sit around because the NFL unfairly restricts entry into the draft because he has not been out of high scool for 3 NFL seasons?

I think that the NFL should make their own rules regarding what is best for the NFL. I do not think that the judge had the right to rule in this case and I guess that we will see when it goes on up through the courts. This judge had a history of siding with "victims" and I think that the NFL just got the short end of the stick with the judge selection. I think that they would have done better with the first judge. The rule is part of the collective bargaining agreement between the league and the players union. Also there are plenty of viable options for MoC to persue his professional football career besides the NFL...that means that they are not inviolation of anti-trust laws...Coca-cola could say that you have to being 21 to buy out soft drink and no one would sue them and say that they should be able to by coca-cola and it would not matter since coca-cola is not the only game in town. The NFL is not the only game in town.

DawgPhan wrote:Walker has also become an oppenent of NFL teams drafting underclassmen even though he himself left early...saying that if those players go bust then they are left with nothing to fall back. Walker also says that NFL teams should forced to pay for school of these underclassmen that they draft. Walker went back to school after his first year in the pros to finish a degree in criminal justice.

R Daneel wrote: You answered your own question. What is keeping kids from going back to school? Walker left early, and went back. Plenty of people leave early, in all sports, and go back getting degrees. Regardless of MoC's public speaking ability, his ghetto background and speaking tone, he is a smart kid. He graduated High School early to enroll at Ohio State earlier than everyone else in his class. His GPA and test scores were nowhere near boarderline like plenty of other recruits. He might not be a scholar, but he is no dummy. What is he supposed to do right now? Languish, drop out of school, his the streets while his football days pass him by? He's fighting the system just like others have before him, and just wanting his chance to make a living like other did before him in the NFL and like others do in any of the other major sports.

well if some 17 year old kid is told that he is the best thing since sliced bread by an agent (that cares only about making money) and he will make millions in the nfl decided to declare early and loses his amatuer status and loses his amatuer status would is going to pay for that schooling...the agent? the nfl? him? nobody. for a lot of kids this is the only way out of a really bad place. Agents are going to start lining to up sign the next big thing all the while lying to him telling him how good he is and how much money he will make in the NFL...

DawgPhan wrote:I fear for next year after having this ruling for a year the agents will be like sharks circling the high schools trying to whisper sweet seven figure nothings into these boys ears...we will really see how great in idea this was.

R Daneel wrote:Gee, its been happening in basketball and baseball for a long time, god forbid it happens in football? Is that what you are saying? I think there is a slight difference between a 17 year old on a pro football field and a 20/21 year old on a pro football field ... come on be serious, I'm really trying to be.

I guess I missed your point here. But yes that is what I am saying. God forbid some high school player think that he is good enough to play pro football. Baseball rarely has high school players playing in the majors. Basketball has allowed a few to succeed, but football is an entirely differnt type of sport. It is played by the best athletes in the world who have been trained to punish one another. I really do not think that this ruling will matter in a few years, but right now I think that it could have a very adverse affect on football...I erally think that we are going to have a few players get hurt or ruin their careers because of this nearsighted ruling.

R Daneel · Post by **R Daneel** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 3:49 pm

DawgPhan wrote:I think that the NFL should make their own rules regarding what is best for the NFL.

Luckily, the majority of lawmakers and people in this country know that self-regulation is not in the best interests of everyone involved, and to suggest that it is, well its silly. With that, I'm done polluting this thread, I promise.

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 4:13 pm

Whatever it is not silly to think that the NFL knows what is best for the NFL and I do believe that this is not in the best interest...But out lawmakers and judges ALWAYS do what is right and in the best interest of the public. Not that is silly....But I did start this by asking your opinion so I guess that this is my fault. sorry valiantcomics.com forumites.

whetteon · Post by **whetteon** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 4:51 pm

zzzzz.... Wake me up when we get back on topic.

dave · Post by **dave** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:03 pm

ok this should get us back on topic...

i collect university of MICHIGAN stuff and they

BEAT OHIO STATE THIS YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! rah!!!!

oops...

dino · Post by **dino** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:27 pm

USC kicked everyones *SQUEE* what?

edlockman · Post by **edlockman** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 7:01 pm

I collect a little bit of everything, but I still like trade paperbacks. It make even the most inane of storylines a little bit better because it's all there in one shot. Speaking of that, does anyone know where I could get my hands on a Chaos Effect Limited Trade Paperback?

whetteon · Post by **whetteon** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 7:12 pm

Does such a creature even exsist? I don't think it does

edlockman · Post by **edlockman** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 7:15 pm

Yes, I believe it does. I saw it on eBay (whch of course doesn't necessarily make it so, but hey, you have to go with something) a year or so ago. I think that only 100 or 200 were made as retailer incentives for owners who got their customers to order the whole run (much like Unity). Greg, can you help us out here?

edlockman · Post by **edlockman** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 7:23 pm

Iknow that it shows up on the Never Were section, but I swear that I saw it on eBay. I know that doesn't make it real, but I wonder if one really exists. I know that people have been known to list stuff on eBay that doesn', but I know that it was on eBay at one time. I should have bid higher and called the guy's bluff I guess.

edlockman · Post by **edlockman** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 7:47 pm

I know you aren't doubting me, but it just bums me out that someone out there raised my hope for something like that and then dashed them. Oh well. Perhaps Checker will do it.

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 8:26 am

dino wrote:USC kicked everyones *SQUEE* what?

eccept cal....

but you guys did have a good year...and got a gret class coming in....

but does anyone here collect concertson cd?

Steve Topper · Post by **Steve Topper** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 11:13 am

I try to collect baseball autographs. Managed to score a great one last Monday night -- Buck O'Neil of the Kansas City Monarchs. He came into town to speak at the local college for Black History Month. What an amazing man!

A buddy and I went to hear him primarily because of our interests in baseball history and walked out thinking we had sat through a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

Steve

greg · Post by **greg** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 11:24 am

I've never seen the Chaos Effect Trade... without proof, I guess we'll
just have to keep our eyes open...

If another one ever shows up... alert the board!

johnhickman · Post by **johnhickman** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 2:50 pm

Steve Topper wrote:I try to collect baseball autographs. Managed to score a great one last Monday night -- Buck O'Neil of the Kansas City Monarchs. He came into town to speak at the local college for Black History Month. What an amazing man!

A buddy and I went to hear him primarily because of our interests in baseball history and walked out thinking we had sat through a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

Steve

Buck is a great guy. He's always about town doing different events. He's super nice too.

R Daneel · Post by **R Daneel** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 3:50 pm

I used to collect Maxim magazine ... was one of my early eBay "things" too. Used to buy back issues directly from Maxim, then sell'em on eBay for a mint. I was sad to see that gravytrain end! I think I have a couple full sets from 1-20ish, when I stopped really buying them for collectable purposes.

Have tons of super old Playboy issues too ... at some point I was entertaining the idea to collect the full run. Ugg.

dsire50 · Post by **dsire50** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 5:56 pm

Along with the Valiant, I also collect some of the other comics, and alot of nonsport trading cards, especially the FPG stuff. It was real quality. I especially go for the autographed cards and other rare specialty items from FPG. (Always looking to buy or trade for these!!)

Besides that, my other two hobbies are playing farmer on my 7 acres and my greatest love (er..., next to my wife, of course!!!!), is officiating football. Best seat in the house and you get paid. Plus everyone Loves you

. I have even officiated a couple of National Junior College Championship games!!!!!!

greg · Post by **greg** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 6:05 pm

What's with the field at Boise State?

You know you're watching a bad bowl game... when the field is blue.

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