Underhanded EBay tactics

SiBill · Post by **SiBill** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:44 pm

I know we've done this thread many times but I got "took" recently by two of these (gentlemen). So I might as well share.

They don't post shipping costs. If the auction ends within their expected range, they send a legit invoice. If they don't like the bid, they make up with ridiculous shipping fees.

Here is an example. I won 2 comics for 99 cents each (that's 2, not 200) from Ebayer cgc*comics. He is in NYC. I am in NYC. His invoice came back as 18.00 dollars shipping plus 2 dollars required insurance. The insurance cost more than the price of the auctions.

. Now what do you do with a (gentleman) like this? If you don't pay him, he gets what he wants. He simply puts it back up to bid waiting for another sucker. And if you pay him, you get exactly what you deserve. I should have paid attention anyway - 42 negatives and 16 neutrals in the last 12 months. Lesson learned. I am no longer bidding on any auction that does not post shipping costs.

Another tactic I have experienced is the Auctions that don't take Paypal. If they don't like the closing price, they simply tear up your check or MO when they recieive it and say they never received. Lesson learned - no more bidding on auctions that don't offer Paypal.

Any suggestions on how I should respond to that ridiculous 20 dollar shipping fee on $1.98 worth of books?

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:55 pm

Sellers are allowed to charge some kind of handling fee, but I don't know exactly what is considered to be absurd to ebay. I would guess even they would consider this kind of shipping gouging to be a no-no. I would report them to ebay and see what your response is.

As for me I will not bid on auctions that don't list the s&h up front or ones that have too much bad feedback.

Rubiks-Q-Bert · Post by **Rubiks-Q-Bert** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:28 pm

I allways ask before I bid what shipping is if it is not listed. If I dont like it I don't bid.

VHMMV · Post by **VHMMV** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:49 pm

You could always leave negative feedback like a lot of other people have apparently done, saying that he gouges on shipping. Of course, then you expose yourself to retalitory feedback.

Welcome to the wonderful world of eBay.

jk20000 · Post by **jk20000** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:53 pm

SiBill wrote:He is in NYC. I am in NYC.

You could bring some friends

Unblessed · Post by **Unblessed** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:55 pm

arrange for "Local Pickup".

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:11 pm

Unblessed wrote:arrange for "Local Pickup".

This seller is probably the kind of jerk that would still want a $10 stocking/handling fee even if you would pick it up.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:13 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
Unblessed wrote:arrange for "Local Pickup".
This seller is probably the kind of jerk that would still want a $10 stocking/handling fee even if you would pick it up.

*SQUEE*. You should have seen the stocking/handling fee when I picked my wife up.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:17 pm

jedimarley wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
Unblessed wrote:arrange for "Local Pickup".
This seller is probably the kind of jerk that would still want a $10 stocking/handling fee even if you would pick it up.
*SKREE*. You should have seen the stocking/handling fee when I picked my wife up.

Yowsa!!!

stone384 · Post by **stone384** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:36 pm

Would you post those 2 guys ebay names here? It always good to know who the idiots are.
M

tarheelmarine · Post by **tarheelmarine** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:04 pm

stone384 wrote:Would you post those 2 guys ebay names here? It always good to know who the idiots are.
M

I agree, it helps us fellow VC.com members to know who the *SQUEE* ebayers are so that we stay away from them.

steverino · Post by **steverino** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:47 pm

tarheelmarine wrote:
stone384 wrote:Would you post those 2 guys ebay names here? It always good to know who the idiots are.
M
I agree, it helps us fellow VC.com members to know who the *SKREE* ebayers are so that we stay away from them.

"Stay away"? Hell with that! I'm bringing my electric fence charger, bolt cutters, and tweezers. A lesson must be taught.

My cat's coming along too. Just don't stare at him.

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:46 pm

Rubiks-Q-Bert wrote:I allways ask before I bid what shipping is if it is not listed. If I dont like it I don't bid.

dac55 · Post by **dac55** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 10:12 pm

Yes post there names. I'll put them on my no bid list. I just started one the other day got the idea from Hobo's site. I think ever one should make one and tell there friends here about them.
I try and not bid on seller that dont take paypal or post some kind of shipping fees.

David

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:10 pm

SiBill wrote:I know we've done this thread many times but I got "took" recently by two of these (gentlemen). So I might as well share.

They don't post shipping costs. If the auction ends within their expected range, they send a legit invoice. If they don't like the bid, they make up with ridiculous shipping fees.

Here is an example. I won 2 comics for 99 cents each (that's 2, not 200) from Ebayer cgc*comics. He is in NYC. I am in NYC. His invoice came back as 18.00 dollars shipping plus 2 dollars required insurance. The insurance cost more than the price of the auctions. . Now what do you do with a (gentleman) like this? If you don't pay him, he gets what he wants. He simply puts it back up to bid waiting for another sucker. And if you pay him, you get exactly what you deserve. I should have paid attention anyway - 42 negatives and 16 neutrals in the last 12 months. Lesson learned. I am no longer bidding on any auction that does not post shipping costs.

Another tactic I have experienced is the Auctions that don't take Paypal. If they don't like the closing price, they simply tear up your check or MO when they recieive it and say they never received. Lesson learned - no more bidding on auctions that don't offer Paypal.

Any suggestions on how I should respond to that ridiculous 20 dollar shipping fee on $1.98 worth of books?

See....what I don't understand here....

And understand, this isn't an attack, just an observation...

But in the past, when I've posted complaints along these lines....

You've taken me to task for being unreasonable and anal.

And yet......the exact same thing happens to you.

Would that be...........Karma...?

For the record, I am in that mix of negs he's gotten...I'll leave it to you to guess who...if you people would just ASK me, I could give you a list of everyone not to deal with!

Also for the record...cgc*comics' FB is a virtual case study as to how broken the FB system really is. It doesn't work. The guy will sit there and flat out lie through his teeth and say all these books were "under" graded.

He's a liar through and through, and yet, he's still scamming on eBay....has been for years.

Trust me....there's no one reading this...no one....no one at all....who would agree with this fool's grades.

Unless you're a rank amatuer, or a liar yourself.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:11 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:Sellers are allowed to charge some kind of handling fee, but I don't know exactly what is considered to be absurd to ebay. I would guess even they would consider this kind of shipping gouging to be a no-no. I would report them to ebay and see what your response is..

Nope.

It's not until you get into the $40-$50 range for one comic that eBay considers it "absurd."

Sad but true.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:29 pm

The funniest thing looking through the FB is that these are the people who bothered to complain....and risk the retaliratory FB. How many people got crap and DID NOT complain....?

Reading through cgc*comics' FB makes you quite literally want to pound his face into the cement....with his "PAIDED" and "PRICE IS $25 YOU OWN ME $13!"....because, you know, the price guide is what he should be paid....

Blindingly arrogant....incredibly ignorant.....it boggles the mind. Here's a perfect example of someone with an entitlement complex. He thinks he's ENTITLED to full guide prices, and will do anything he can to get them, including outright fraud.

It's like a guy who robbed a bank standing up in court and telling the judge he is a criminal for holding the guy against his will.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:03 am

hahahaha...cruise around the dumbassses' FB....he replied to some of the FB almost FOUR YEARS after it was first left!

Duh.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:26 am

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:Sellers are allowed to charge some kind of handling fee, but I don't know exactly what is considered to be absurd to ebay. I would guess even they would consider this kind of shipping gouging to be a no-no. I would report them to ebay and see what your response is..
Nope.

It's not until you get into the $40-$50 range for one comic that eBay considers it "absurd."

Sad but true.

Not true.

Ebay just sided with me when a seller tried to charge me $11 to ship 1 comic media mail.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:27 am

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:if you people would just ASK me, I could give you a list of everyone not to deal with!

Am I still on that list?

greg · Post by **greg** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:41 am

Sounds like others are also having problems with that seller...

http://boards.collectors-society.com/sh ... =0&fpart=1

His old Ebay username was "stckwzrd1@aol.com"
which Googles to pages with other unhappy customers.
(Or just Google "stckwzrd1")

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:47 pm

jedimarley wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:Sellers are allowed to charge some kind of handling fee, but I don't know exactly what is considered to be absurd to ebay. I would guess even they would consider this kind of shipping gouging to be a no-no. I would report them to ebay and see what your response is..
Nope.

It's not until you get into the $40-$50 range for one comic that eBay considers it "absurd."

Sad but true.
Not true.

Ebay just sided with me when a seller tried to charge me $11 to ship 1 comic media mail.

And how did that work? Details, man, details!!

If this is true.....this would be the reverse of official policy for nearly a decade.

So, yeah, explain what happened, what you did, if you just got lucky, etc. It would help everyone out.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:47 pm

jedimarley wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:if you people would just ASK me, I could give you a list of everyone not to deal with!
Am I still on that list?

Dude, totally.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:22 pm

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:Sellers are allowed to charge some kind of handling fee, but I don't know exactly what is considered to be absurd to ebay. I would guess even they would consider this kind of shipping gouging to be a no-no. I would report them to ebay and see what your response is..
Nope.

It's not until you get into the $40-$50 range for one comic that eBay considers it "absurd."

Sad but true.

Wow, that is sad

stone384 · Post by **stone384** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:05 pm

o.k. you got my curiosity up. I went and checked cgc*comics feedback. wow

His numbers are all effed up. There are so many red flags with this guy its scary. The big thing I noticed was how many postives and neutrals he got that should have been negs. I can kinda understand putting a neutral instead of a neg to avoid retailation (which is b.s. and a flaw in the FB system) but why in the hell would you write "comic was way overgraded..."and still give him a positive, ESPECIALLY since 90% of the negs state he over grades. And these guys weren't noobs. Most were in the 200+ range. Honestly I don't even know why ebay has private auctions. If I could I would contact every current bidder and direct him/her to the cgc article about this guy(s?)

m
p.s. didn't sibill say there were TWO guys who he was having trouble with? Wonder who the other is

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