Magnus 0 without card

[Mark]

Hey, nice to be a part of this board and see so many Valiant fans here.
Lordy, I have just about the full set of Valiants (VH1?) with the exception of a few of the VVSS books, trades and $2.50 variants!

But here is what I am sure is an obvious question for some. The checklist on this board has only one square for Magnus 0. As we know, there are two, one with a card and one without.

My question is, If I buy a Magnus 0 w/o the card off of ebay, how will I know it is truly a separate print run vs someone who actually just removed the card from the book? Is there really no other difference? I haven't looked at my Magnus 0 in some time so it may be incredibly obvious, just wasn't sure.

Appreciate any insight!

[ckb]

There was never a reason to remove the card from Magnus 0. You did not need to send it into valiant or anything.

That being said, there is no way to tell if someone has done what you suggest. It is just unlikely since it is a pretty dumb thing to do. I've never seen a Mag 0 card available for sale separately, detached from the book either.

If you want one of these, PM me and I will give you a grade and price.

[ckb]

Hey, 2.50 variants!

But here is what I am sure is an obvious question for some. The checklist on this board has only one square for Magnus 0. As we know, there are two, one with a card and one without.

This is a good point. The CGC registry set does not make a distinction either. I'm sure Greg has a justification as there are rules about what goes and does not go on the checklist. I just can't remember it offhand.

[sonicdan]

There was never a reason to remove the card from Magnus 0. You did not need to send it into VALIANT or anything.

That being said, there is no way to tell if someone has done what you suggest. It is just unlikely since it is a pretty dumb thing to do. I've never seen a Mag 0 card available for sale separately, detached from the book either.

Then there's me who DID remove the card from a Magnus 0
DAN

[bamaphilosopher]

The issue without the card was sold on the stands, right? Or did it come with a Magnus TPB? I can't remember at the moment. And the issue with the card came free in the mail (coupon offer).

So I'm thinking one of them has a price on it, the other doesn't. But I may be wrong--I'd have to check my issues to be sure.

Also, did they both have a cardstock cover? I remember the mail-in version did.

[ckb]

The issue without the card was sold on the stands, right? Or did it come with a Magnus TPB? I can't remember at the moment. And the issue with the card came free in the mail (coupon offer).

So I'm thinking one of them has a price on it, the other doesn't. But I may be wrong--I'd have to check my issues to be sure.

Also, did they both have a cardstock cover? I remember the mail-in version did.

I think you are confusing it with the H0 pink sendaway. The Magnus 0 without the card was a retailer incentive. It is identical to the mail-away version (from the coupons in Magnus 1-8) in every way except for the card. I remember an old thread where a few people verified that this was the case.

Harbinger 0 pink had a card stock cover, whereas the blue version that came with the TPB had a paper cover.

[ckb]

Then there's me who DID remove the card from a Magnus 0
DAN

Didn't mean to call you 'stupid'!

Dan's a card guy, so it makes sense for him. I don't see any incentive, financial or otherwise) to taking a Magnus 0 with card, removing the card, and selling the issue and card separately.

Unless maybe you had a really jacked-up copy with the card. Or you were a card collector and had already defiled a set of Magnus 1-8 to have the cards in a separate collection.

There will always be zealots like Dan, but it's not going to be something that you need to really worry about on eBay. Pay less for the issue without the card than with.

[Daniel Jackson]

Technically, the one without the card is considered to be rarer, but given the choice I would much rather have the cool BWS card.

[Schmakt]

Technically, the one without the card is considered to be rarer, but given the choice I would much rather have the cool BWS card.

I thought I remembered something about the retailer version being worth more back when prices were all crazy anyway... and the potential that people would remove the card from their send-away version to have the "retailer" version was quite real...

I could be making that up tho.
Although I'm not actually on anything right now, so I could be right this time.

[slym2none]

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-slym

[Daniel Jackson]

Technically, the one without the card is considered to be rarer, but given the choice I would much rather have the cool BWS card.

I thought I remembered something about the retailer version being worth more back when prices were all crazy anyway... and the potential that people would remove the card from their send-away version to have the "retailer" version was quite real...

I could be making that up tho.
Although I'm not actually on anything right now, so I could be right this time.

We talked about that quite awhile back, so it's been speculated at least.

[Schmakt]

Technically, the one without the card is considered to be rarer, but given the choice I would much rather have the cool BWS card.

I thought I remembered something about the retailer version being worth more back when prices were all crazy anyway... and the potential that people would remove the card from their send-away version to have the "retailer" version was quite real...

I could be making that up tho.
Although I'm not actually on anything right now, so I could be right this time.

We talked about that quite awhile back, so it's been speculated at least.

ah, good... so maybe I actually read it here... my memory only functions for about 1 month in the past and anything over a year ago... anything between 2 and 11 months old is just a dream to me...

...

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-slym

right.

[Elveen]

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-slym

glad to see he did make it back....

go to the Bulldog???????

[Daniel Jackson]

Welcome back, Schmakt! Enjoy Amsterdam, did you?





-slym

glad to see he did make it back....

go to the Bulldog???????

He took a little trip.

[etos45]

So is there no way of telling between the retailer #0 and the sendaway other than the no card thing? I have on with no card (I didn't think to check when I bought it) and I see no signs of a removal, but then, I don't know that there would be signs... I do have one with the card on it's way though... so maybe I can find out then.


Greg

[myron]

So is there no way of telling between the retailer #0 and the sendaway other than the no card thing? I have on with no card (I didn't think to check when I bought it) and I see no signs of a removal, but then, I don't know that there would be signs... I do have one with the card on it's way though... so maybe I can find out then.


Greg

no...they are exactly the same just one with card and one without...

[Daniel Jackson]

Since Sonic Dan took the card out in one of his copies maybe he could answer that one.

[greg]

It was a bit of a "stretch" to imply that the retailer version was rarer,
but that's exactly what happened back in the mid-1990s.

In reality, there were probably around 10,000 copies of both versions printed.

Since it's true that there's no difference (besides the card), then the only thing that is sure
is that if you have a Magnus #0 with or without card, there are probably fewer
than 20,000 in existence.

Today, the intact card is worth a few "extra" dollars if you're buying Magnus #0,
so it's no longer a good idea (if it ever was) to remove the card and claim a "rarer" copy.

Besides Dan's example where he cut out the card, I remember that Mile High used
to have a listing for the "BWS Card Only", so I don't know if they got a stack of the cards from Valiant,
or if they might have cut up a few copies, too.

I generally feel like "with card" is worth about 133% of the without card price.
Such as $20-$30 for the version without card, and $28-$40 for the version with card,
meaning an intact card is worth around $8 to $10 extra today.

I don't know if there would be a larger gap in the future if the price were to rise.

[Daniel Jackson]

I remember that Mile High used to have a listing for the "BWS Card Only", so I don't know if they got a stack of the cards from VALIANT, or if they might have cut up a few copies, too.

Wish I would have known that, I would have bought a few of them. Do you remember the price?

[D-Lite]

I generally feel like "with card" is worth about 133% of the without card price.
Such as $20-$30 for the version without card, and $28-$40 for the version with card,
meaning an intact card is worth around $8 to $10 extra today.

I don't know if there would be a larger gap in the future if the price were to rise.

Also you should consider what had to be "sacrificed" to get that card. You had to cut up nearly $20 in comics to get it! So to me the value of the 0 w/card is at least that much more.

[greg]

I remember that Mile High used to have a listing for the "BWS Card Only", so I don't know if they got a stack of the cards from VALIANT, or if they might have cut up a few copies, too.

Wish I would have known that, I would have bought a few of them. Do you remember the price?

I think it was between $10 to $20 for the card only (probably both are correct,
depending on what sale they might have been running that day.

I generally feel like "with card" is worth about 133% of the without card price.
Such as $20-$30 for the version without card, and $28-$40 for the version with card,
meaning an intact card is worth around $8 to $10 extra today.

I don't know if there would be a larger gap in the future if the price were to rise.

Also you should consider what had to be "sacrificed" to get that card. You had to cut up nearly $20 in comics to get it! So to me the value of the 0 w/card is at least that much more.

Yes, but the books are still worth at least $1 each after you sliced them up,
so that's where the other part of that $20 is.

[D-Lite]

I remember that Mile High used to have a listing for the "BWS Card Only", so I don't know if they got a stack of the cards from VALIANT, or if they might have cut up a few copies, too.

Wish I would have known that, I would have bought a few of them. Do you remember the price?

I think it was between $10 to $20 for the card only (probably both are correct,
depending on what sale they might have been running that day.

I generally feel like "with card" is worth about 133% of the without card price.
Such as $20-$30 for the version without card, and $28-$40 for the version with card,
meaning an intact card is worth around $8 to $10 extra today.

I don't know if there would be a larger gap in the future if the price were to rise.

Also you should consider what had to be "sacrificed" to get that card. You had to cut up nearly $20 in comics to get it! So to me the value of the 0 w/card is at least that much more.

Yes, but the books are still worth at least $1 each after you sliced them up,
so that's where the other part of that $20 is.

But according to a reliable price guide source those first 8 issues should be worth $58. So $58 - that $8 they're still worth really means the Magnus 0 with card should be worth $50 more than the dealer incentive version.

[Daniel Jackson]

I remember that Mile High used to have a listing for the "BWS Card Only", so I don't know if they got a stack of the cards from VALIANT, or if they might have cut up a few copies, too.

Wish I would have known that, I would have bought a few of them. Do you remember the price?

I think it was between $10 to $20 for the card only (probably both are correct,
depending on what sale they might have been running that day.

I might give 10 bucks for one, but anymore than that and you may as well get the book and do like Dan did and remove it.

[greg]

I remember that Mile High used to have a listing for the "BWS Card Only", so I don't know if they got a stack of the cards from VALIANT, or if they might have cut up a few copies, too.

Wish I would have known that, I would have bought a few of them. Do you remember the price?

I think it was between $10 to $20 for the card only (probably both are correct,
depending on what sale they might have been running that day.

I generally feel like "with card" is worth about 133% of the without card price.
Such as $20-$30 for the version without card, and $28-$40 for the version with card,
meaning an intact card is worth around $8 to $10 extra today.

I don't know if there would be a larger gap in the future if the price were to rise.

Also you should consider what had to be "sacrificed" to get that card. You had to cut up nearly $20 in comics to get it! So to me the value of the 0 w/card is at least that much more.

Yes, but the books are still worth at least $1 each after you sliced them up,
so that's where the other part of that $20 is.

But according to a reliable price guide source those first 8 issues should be worth $58. So $58 - that $8 they're still worth really means the Magnus 0 with card should be worth $50 more than the dealer incentive version.

You think you get to use scissors on eight comic books and suffer no loss?

Not bloody likely.

[muzzsucker]

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