Solar Valiant fans project

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

I'm a big fan of bush.

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Really? I woulda figured you for a *SQUEE* man.....

OK, hate to get back off topic, but I wanted to respond to this:

I'm not gay, but I would definitely *SQUEE* Dick Cheney in the *SQUEE*, just so I could say I did that. It might be tough getting wood, but with enough concentration I could get it done.

And then everytime Cheney was on CNN I could say "Dick Cheney? I did him."

I would bang Queen Elizabeth for the same reason.

Ew. How is that even possible? You could never get it up. You'd need Industrial Strength Viagra for that.

Bleagh.

[Akuma]

Well thanks for playing. FYI, the book is sold. Looks like I'll be getting the last laugh, I'm glad you found my terms hilarious, I was laughing my a$$ off while I typed them. I figured you'd get a kick out of em.

That's awesome.

I'm glad you accepted my proxy's offer.

Oh, they'll swear up and down that they're not, and even say I'm full of sh!t. They have to. That was the deal.

As far as "getting the last laugh"....wow. Your arrogance and smug hostility is amazing, isn't it? You're actually PROUD that you profiteered off of a FAN project, aren't you? That you made money off of someone else's hard work to GIVE something to the FANS, something that was NEVER INTENDED to be a vehicle for people to make money.

That's not what it was EVER about. It was something BY the fans, FOR the fans....not BY the fans, for Akuma to make a HUGE profit from.

If that doesn't prove how little class you have, I don't know what does.

Enjoy your blood money, chum!

Oh I'll enjoy what I'm getting very much thank you.

And don't kid yourself, I've known the buyer longer than I've known you and can assure you that he disliked you far before I got sick of you. So there is zero chance that you've got anything to do with this sale. Nice try tho.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

Well thanks for playing. FYI, the book is sold. Looks like I'll be getting the last laugh, I'm glad you found my terms hilarious, I was laughing my a$$ off while I typed them. I figured you'd get a kick out of em.

That's awesome.

I'm glad you accepted my proxy's offer.

Oh, they'll swear up and down that they're not, and even say I'm full of sh!t. They have to. That was the deal.

As far as "getting the last laugh"....wow. Your arrogance and smug hostility is amazing, isn't it? You're actually PROUD that you profiteered off of a FAN project, aren't you? That you made money off of someone else's hard work to GIVE something to the FANS, something that was NEVER INTENDED to be a vehicle for people to make money.

That's not what it was EVER about. It was something BY the fans, FOR the fans....not BY the fans, for Akuma to make a HUGE profit from.

If that doesn't prove how little class you have, I don't know what does.

Enjoy your blood money, chum!

Oh I'll enjoy what I'm getting very much thank you.

Most people DO enjoy blood money....for a short time.

Eventually, though, it comes back to haunt them.

You need to get it through your thick skull that this is not about ME, and has nothing to do with ME.

Don't worry...someday you'll get it.

And don't kid yourself, I've known the buyer longer than I've known you

Oh really? You think so, do you?

and can assure you that he disliked you far before I got sick of you. So there is zero chance that you've got anything to do with this sale. Nice try tho.

Like I said...my proxy HAS to swear that he doesn't like me, and that he's not buying for me, or you wouldn't have gone through with the deal.

Funny how that works, huh?

Now go slink away and pollute some other board with your vile hatred, huh?

[Akuma]

lol you're so dumb in thinking you have a hand in this sale.

Understand something. There where people who where sick of your "know it all" posts before I was. Remember how derpressed you were the day I first pm'd you telling you what a genious you were and how great you were?

It's true you're smart. But on this deal you lost. You didn't trash my thread and come out the winner, by predicting I'd sell the book. You didn't have anything to do with it. And the best part is yet to come. nicca please.

[Chiclo]

...there's no o in genius.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

lol you're so dumb in thinking you have a hand in this sale.

And you're so dumb for thinking I don't.

Understand something. There where people who where sick of your "know it all" posts before I was.

CLEARLY you are completely lacking in clues of ANY kind. And CLEARLY you don't read the board.

The word is "were", again. Man, you spelling sucks.

Do you think...well, you do, because you don't pay attention....that I am not exactly aware of who I am, and where I stand?

As far as being a "know it all"...what, are you so threatened by knowledge that you must run, screaming in terror from it? Does dialogue frighten you? Does eloquence shame you?

Because that's all I have, buckeroo.

But the reality is, I'm NOT a "know it all", even though insecure people feel threatened by someone who not only HAS the knowledge, but knows how to EXPRESS IT WELL think I am.

A "know it all" talks about things about which they know NOTHING, but PRETENDS that they do. There are DOZENS of categories on this board about which I know NOTHING, and do not participate in, expressly BECAUSE I know little about them.

No, the people on this board who toss around the "know it all" epithet are people like you, who have been thoroughly trounced by me in any debate, and aren't eloquent or expressive enough to take me toe to toe, so you toss that insult out, hoping it'll stick.

Call me Teflon, baby, cause it ain't working.

I've said it over and over and over again: I live and die by my words, and my words alone. SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE. But MOST folks aren't man or woman enough to admit that.

I don't sit here and spew fake platitudes at people I wouldn't know if I passed them on the street, like a few people on this board do. Yes, there are many people on this board who genuinely care about others, but there are ALSO many people on this board who say and do things only for the acclaim and "he's a jolly good fellow" it will bring them.

That's fake.

It's JUST as bad as the people who do kiss-kiss, hug-hug, darling you look MAGNIFICENT, and then once they're out of earshot, trash them completely.

In other words, I'm not Politically Correct.

I am INITIMATELY aware that I *SQUEE* people off. And ya know what? DON'T CARE. In FACT, I do it on PURPOSE, because *SQUEE* OFF people CARE enough about whatever it is that *SQUEE* them off to THINK about it for a while, instead of just apathetically going about their daily lives, not caring.

I will NEVER go after someone PERSONALLY who hasn't gone after ME FIRST. So if something that's NOT personal *SQUEE* someone off, they have a choice: they can IGNORE me, which everyone is WELCOME to do....or, they can get *SQUEE* and confront me and make a big stinking scene over nothing. Most folks choose the latter, but you know what? SOME folks here have chosen the former, and GUESS WHAT?

We "get along" just great!

If ENOUGH people ignore someone, what happens?

They go away.

Well...I'm STILL here, so that MUST mean I have enough of a "fan base" who approves of what I say and do.

Sucks for you, huh?

Like I have said before, and will probably say again: I'm not like most people. I'm a GROWN UP. That means I don't fall for the High School popularity mentality that seems to grip so much of our society these days, where people behave not according to what's right or wrong, but by what's most popular, and DAMN anyone who dares suggest otherwise.

I say this again: if you don't like what I have to say, or the way I have to say it....IGNORE me. Pretend I don't exist. Eventually, if what YOU and the other folks who "hate" me believe is TRUE, then EVERYONE will ignore me, I'll have no "audience", and I'll have to go somewhere else to "annoy" people.

So by all means, IGNORE AWAY.

Remember how derpressed you were the day I first pm'd you telling you what a genious you were and how great you were?

Dunno what "derpressed" means, but if you mean DEpressed, then no, such a thing never happened. I am not "derpressed" on these boards.

It's true you're smart. But on this deal you lost.

What, praytell, did I lose, specifically? What did I HAVE before this thread that I DO NOT have now?

I never believed for a SECOND that someone wouldn't want to buy this from you.....that's why I sent my proxy in.

So, really.....what did I LOSE, exactly?

I know what YOU lost: respect.

You lost a great deal of it.

Now, I KNOW you don't give a sh!t about respect, but someday you might, and you lost it.

You didn't trash my thread and come out the winner, by predicting I'd sell the book. You didn't have anything to do with it.

Like I said, you believe that if you wish.

And the best part is yet to come. nicca please.

"nicca"? What the hell kind of word is "nicca"? Are you just unwilling to spell it correctly, for fear of backlash?

Oh, and if the best part is yet to come means that SOME justice will be served in this mess by SOMEONE getting SOMETHING they rightfully deserve, then GREAT. Whether or not it had ANYTHING to do with ME isn't the point.

You just don't get it, my African-American friend: this isn't about ME.

You WANT it to be about me, because that gives you an adversary besides your own conscience. But it's not. Has nothing to DO with me.

There was no "contest"...nothing to "win or lose".

But, if that helps you feel better about yourself, you just go on and believe it.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

...there's no o in genius.

His spelling and grammar is bad enough; I didn't want to trash him TOO much....

[Chiclo]

...there's no o in genius.

His spelling and grammar is bad enough; I didn't want to trash him TOO much....

It doesn't work as well as the first time I can remember capitalizing on such a gag.

It works best when someone proclaims themself to be a "genious".

[Akuma]

This is chatting on a forum I could care less about punctuation and grammar.

Zeph if you have a proxy who is it? And is the deal already done? When will the sale be made? Who am I shipping the book to? What country does the buyer live in? Have any idea? Can you answer ANY of these questions? I didn't think so. If you think you know what you're talking about then speak up, otherwise you know nothing and you're a liar. So mr honesty integrity and nobility, speak up.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

This is chatting on a forum I could care less about punctuation and grammar.

I'm CERTAIN that spills over nicely into real life, too.

Zeph if you have a proxy who is it?

What, you think I'm going to tell you and spoil the deal? You must be dumber than you think.

And is the deal already done? When will the sale be made? Who am I shipping the book to? What country does the buyer live in? Have any idea? Can you answer ANY of these questions?

Like I said....do you think I'm going to reveal any of this information to YOU and spoil the deal?

That's what PROXY means. Do you think I'm going to risk THEM being assailed by YOU for helping ME? HA!

n't think so. If you think you know what you're talking about then speak up, otherwise you know nothing and you're a liar.

Someone choosing not to reveal information does not therefore prove that that someone doesn't know the information and is a liar.



Where'd you learn THAT fancy bit of mumbo jumbo spin? Grade school, no doubt.

It could be that I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about, but I CHOOSE NOT to "speak up" and REVEAL my proxy....which, contrary to that spew of illogic up there, does not therefore PROVE me being a "liar" and "knowing nothing."

My siblings and I played this game when I was a kid, you know, trying to force someone's hand by bluffing and suggesting that someone was a liar simply because they didn't say anything. The force of being called a liar was usually stronger, and often compelled a weaker willed opponent to "fess up."

Didn't work (much) then, and certainly won't work now. I thought for SURE you'd be over such games by now.

Logic. Confounding fools since 486 BC.

So mr honesty integrity and nobility, speak up.

How old are you? Really? Because you debate like a 10 year old.

No, dear, I don't want to spoil the deal. Not everyone's as stupid as you think you are.

And not revealing my proxy has ZERO to do with "honesty and integrity", rocket scientist. I can choose NOT to reveal ANYTHING, and, I know you failed to learn this in school (among SOOOO many other things), but NOT saying anything is, BY DEFINITION, NOT lying.

So, I'll keep my mouth shut, thanks. Don't want to spoil the deal.

But just like people like you, spin spin spin away the truth.

[SolarFan777]

Where did this noob get a Solar fan copy anyway? Or did I skim the pages too fast...

[myron]

Where did this noob get a Solar fan copy anyway? Or did I skim the pages too fast...

Used to go by SoundoftheUniverse...SoTU's been around a long time...V1 of the boards iirc...he just hasn't been posting much the past 18 months...

[SolarFan777]

Sorry I've been shy around here too and didn't know he changed his name. I do remember him.

[Daniel Jackson]

Sorry I've been shy around here too and didn't know he changed his name. I do remember him.

Don't feel bad, I almost made the same mistake when I first saw the name.

[SolarFan777]

Well I just stopped in to see about joining the posse.

[cinlach@aol.com]

Where did this noob get a Solar fan copy anyway? Or did I skim the pages too fast...

Used to go by SoundoftheUniverse...SoTU's been around a long time...V1 of the boards iirc...he just hasn't been posting much the past 18 months...

also, you're not missing anything.

not what i'd call a great guy...he used to be though.

now, not so much.

i think for me the last straw was the complete disregard for, and lack of respect to, the folks who got screwed over by justin.

so zeph is supposed to take this book for $160 and then everyone...EVERYONE...who's still owed is just supposed to let it go?

right.

speaking solely for myself i'm glad you weren't responsible for negotiating my deal to get what i was owed.

welcome to ignore numbnuts...enjoy your stay.

[whovianone]

also, you're not missing anything.

not what i'd call a great guy...he used to be though.

now, not so much.

i think for me the last straw was the complete disregard for, and lack of respect to, the folks who got screwed over by justin.

so zeph is supposed to take this book for $160 and then everyone...EVERYONE...who's still owed is just supposed to let it go?

right.

speaking solely for myself i'm glad you weren't responsible for negotiating my deal to get what i was owed.

welcome to ignore numbnuts...enjoy your stay.

I wasn't part of the Justin-fiasco, and I wouldn't begin to suggest that silly notion.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

also, you're not missing anything.

not what i'd call a great guy...he used to be though.

now, not so much.

i think for me the last straw was the complete disregard for, and lack of respect to, the folks who got screwed over by justin.

so zeph is supposed to take this book for $160 and then everyone...EVERYONE...who's still owed is just supposed to let it go?

right.

speaking solely for myself i'm glad you weren't responsible for negotiating my deal to get what i was owed.

welcome to ignore numbnuts...enjoy your stay.

I wasn't part of the Justin-fiasco, and I wouldn't begin to suggest that silly notion.

But it was even BETTER! I was supposed to DEFEND Justin against everyone else! *I* PAY, but I also have to champion a CON MAN?



Sheer lunacy. I'm telling you, that's who we're dealing with, here.

[Valiant OCD]

WOW,... is this junk still going on!!!??? What about live and let live?

Why is it necessary to "shame" people into doing what "YOU" think is right?

sigh.........

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

WOW,... is this junk still going on!!!??? What about live and let live?

What, you think the passing of TIME makes this any less of a wrong thing to do?

It doesn't.

"Live and let live" only works when everyone abides by the standards the community has set up. When those standards are broken, live and let live doesn't apply.

Why is it necessary to "shame" people into doing what "YOU" think is right?

sigh.........

I thought you and I were through with this?

It's not what "I" think is right...it's what IS right.

If "YOU" think it's right to chop up your sister's family pet and feed it to them for dinner, would that make it right?

Of course not.

There ARE lines.

This is one of them. Making a profit off of a FAN project, BY FANS, FOR FANS, that was intended to GO to fans at COST is unethical, period.

No matter what anyone wants to say on the matter, there are things that are right and there are things that are wrong.

[Chiclo]

WOW,... is this junk still going on!!!??? What about live and let live?

What, you think the passing of TIME makes this any less of a wrong thing to do?

It doesn't.

"Live and let live" only works when everyone abides by the standards the community has set up. When those standards are broken, live and let live doesn't apply.

I must disagree.

"Live and Let Live" only applies as long as you don't hurt anyone. Cheating your friends is included in "hurt anyone".

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

WOW,... is this junk still going on!!!??? What about live and let live?

What, you think the passing of TIME makes this any less of a wrong thing to do?

It doesn't.

"Live and let live" only works when everyone abides by the standards the community has set up. When those standards are broken, live and let live doesn't apply.

I must disagree.

"Live and Let Live" only applies as long as you don't hurt anyone. Cheating your friends is included in "hurt anyone".

"Not hurting someone" would fall under the "standards the community has set up"...come on, you're not THAT far from your High School Civics class.

For the record...having sex with a dead animal isn't "hurting anyone".....but it's still outside the standards the community has set up, and therefore wrong. One shouldn't "live and let live" a necrophiliac bestialist.....

[Valiant OCD]

When EVERYONE complies to the standards set forth by the whole, people like galileo get murdered. Slavery goes unchallenged, and children in india are forced to work in sweatshops for untold hours a day.

Zeph, you say "it's not abut what you think is right, its about what is right" but i contend that that is based on what you consider to be right for the group, not what may be actually right. Part of the fun of this hobby is watching your little investment grow in value on occasion. I don't aggree that someone should be berated for trying to turn a profit when he or she want to do so.

So, since I am arguably part of the community you refer to, why does my opinion not seem to matter in your version of right and wrong? because, you are in the percieved majority? If so then we'd better take a mandatory poll of ALL the members and get the definitive answer on this matter. Would'nt it be shocking if you were in the minority? Would you be wrong then? Or would it just be your right to have a different opinion? At which point I would be more than happy to say "Live and let live"

Or does my opinion not count because, it does not match what you've decided on as right?........ As i see it, it must be one or the other. Both foundations are flawed as soon as you look past your own set of beliefs, and your ego,.... Not just for you, but for me, you and anyone who lives with other people.

When one group regardless of majority or minority status tries to push thier own values off onto other people you get the crusades, or the jihad, or the gulf war, and countless other real problems. Wouldn't it just be easier to register your disapproval and let it go?

My Rare 2 cents.

[mavros]

I'm still trying to figure out why someone would post on a Sunday that his proxy has won the book, thereby possibly jeopardizing the deal.

Wait till Whet actually has the book in his hands... or at the very least wait till there is confirmation the book has been shipped before divulging that the proxy has won the book... if that's actually the case.

[Valiant OCD]

WOW,... is this junk still going on!!!??? What about live and let live?

What, you think the passing of TIME makes this any less of a wrong thing to do?

It doesn't.

"Live and let live" only works when everyone abides by the standards the community has set up. When those standards are broken, live and let live doesn't apply.

I must disagree.

"Live and Let Live" only applies as long as you don't hurt anyone. Cheating your friends is included in "hurt anyone".

"Not hurting someone" would fall under the "standards the community has set up"...come on, you're not THAT far from your High School Civics class.

For the record...having sex with a dead animal isn't "hurting anyone".....but it's still outside the standards the community has set up, and therefore wrong. One shouldn't "live and let live" a necrophiliac bestialist.....

Who is SOTU hurting? Justin? He is the creator of this project, and last time I checked he was not a friend. Seems to me the only thing being hurt is a the feelings of a few members. I was here when J produced this book, and there was no mention of a "no re-selling" clause. So based on the history no one on the creation level is being hurt. What about the buyer? Well, again it seems to me if a person willingly gives up his or her hard earned greenbacks, there is no hurting going on, so again, its just a few delicate sensibilities being bruised by my way of seeing it. Of course you have the right to voice your opinion, but the repeated bashing and thread derailing, and ganging up upon, and the outright attempt to ruin another members chances of selling an item at a profit borders on harrasment. Didn't Greg once have a rule about that sort of thing?