What Valiant book would you not want to return?

manningfan · Post by **manningfan** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:43 pm

Valiant is relaunching. There is a ton of specualtion here as to what is going to happen and what isn't. If there was one book that they did in VH1 you could care less about returning, which book is it and why?

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:16 pm

The Visitor.

The entire concept sucked, from beginning to end. It was the complete antithesis of EVERYTHING VALIANT stood for (sorry Kevin...).

Turning Peter Stanchek into Cable (or as it were, Ultimate Cable who is the Wolverine from the future) reeked, pure and simple.

Add Marts' description of the Visitor as the VALIANT Universe's version of Superman and it only gets worse.

Two other titles I don't want to see are the Geomancer and Secret Weapons.

Geoff should be the only Geomancer until his niece takes over for him. There's no room in the VALIANT timeline for Clay McHenry.

As for Secret Weapons, I don't see any room in the VU for a "JLA"-type group.

k_c_collectibles · Post by **k_c_collectibles** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:25 pm

Psi-Lords is the title I liked the least in the Valiant Universe.

I like the H.A.R.D. Corps of the future idea, but not the way the stories were executed. They made them seem like a group that was out to take over the world and I do not think that would be the case.

Chris

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:26 pm

I agree with those MOTA, except I think Geomancer could be really cool if done right (no Clay Mchenry of coarse).

I would also add Psi-Lords, H.A.R.D. Corps, and Armorines.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:29 pm

Ryan wrote:I agree with those MOTA, except I think Geomancer could be really cool if done right (no Clay Mchenry of coarse).

I would also add Psi-Lords, H.A.R.D. Corps, and Armorines.

I agree that a Geomancer series can be done right. The original version of Secret Weapons was more of a Geomancer book that proved that Geoff can carry his own series.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Geoff comic with Livewre and Stronghold. They were the only aspect of Secret Weapons that I liked. It was having the other heroes in it that I didn't care for.

k_c_collectibles · Post by **k_c_collectibles** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:30 pm

Ryan wrote:I agree with those MOTA, except I think Geomancer could be really cool if done right (no Clay Mchenry of coarse).

I would also add Psi-Lords, H.A.R.D. Corps, and Armorines.

Yeah - all those groups should only be used in supporting roles in ongoing titles at best. At least that would be my suggestion.

Chris

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:31 pm

k_c_collectibles wrote:
Ryan wrote:I agree with those MOTA, except I think Geomancer could be really cool if done right (no Clay Mchenry of coarse).

I would also add Psi-Lords, H.A.R.D. Corps, and Armorines.
Yeah - all those groups should only be used in supporting roles in ongoing titles at best. At least that would be my suggestion.

Chris

I really liked HARD Corps and Armorines, they were my favorite post Shooter series. I liked the concept of Softcore in HC and the ... what were they called? The people who were in contact with the Armorines... in Armorines.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:35 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
I really liked HARD Corps and Armorines, they were my favorite post Shooter series. I liked the concept of Softcore in HC and the ... what were they called? The people who were in contact with the Armorines... in Armorines.

Maybe I'm just not into team books. I liked Armorines more than HARD Corps, but it just seemed like too many armored heroes in the VU. I'm with KC, they would work better as supporting characters or an occasional limited series.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:37 pm

Timewalker's another one that could be a supporting character in EW or A&A. Although the concept of time travel is unique for a series

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:37 pm

Ryan wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
I really liked HARD Corps and Armorines, they were my favorite post Shooter series. I liked the concept of Softcore in HC and the ... what were they called? The people who were in contact with the Armorines... in Armorines.
Maybe I'm just not into team books. I liked Armorines more than HARD Corps, but it just seemed like too many armored heroes in the VU. I'm with KC, they would work better as supporting characters or an occasional limited series.

Well, the Armorines' appearance in Solar sucked, same with their Acclaim mini.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:38 pm

Ryan wrote:Timewalker's another one that could be a supporting character in EW or A&A. Although the concept of time travel is unique for a series

Not to give Zero's claim in the other thread credibility, but personally that's a series I'd like to write for new VALIANT, heh.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:39 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote: Well, the Armorines appearance in Solar sucked, same with their Acclaim mini.

I only have 1 issue of the acclaim mini, none of the shops around me ordered any after 1.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:40 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote: Not to give Zero's claim in the other thread credibility, but personally that's a series I'd like to write for new VALIANT, heh.

It has a lot of potential, i just think EW and A&A should come first.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:41 pm

Ryan wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote: Well, the Armorines appearance in Solar sucked, same with their Acclaim mini.
I only have 1 issue of the acclaim mini, none of the shops around me ordered any after 1.

I have all four issues (mail order rules).

The basis premise was sound, it was the execution that was blah. There were certain things, like the four bad guys meeting to plan... whatever they were planing, and Aric and Elvis being dead in the Spider-Alien ship that were idiotic.

How can Aric have died on the ship and also traveled back in time to 409 AD with the X-O?

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:42 pm

Ryan wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote: Not to give Zero's claim in the other thread credibility, but personally that's a series I'd like to write for new VALIANT, heh.
It has a lot of potential, i just think EW and A&A should come first.

Yeah. I for one dislike the third Anni-Padda brother angle. I'd fix that one.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:44 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
Yeah. I for one dislike the third Anni-Padda brother angle. I'd fix that one.

I wonder when Ivar was added as a brother. He isn't mentioned at all in EW #1.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:44 pm

Ryan wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Yeah. I for one dislike the third Anni-Padda brother angle. I'd fix that one.
I wonder when Ivar was added as a brother. He isn't mentioned at all in EW #1.

Post Shooter in his first appearance.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:46 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
Ryan wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Yeah. I for one dislike the third Anni-Padda brother angle. I'd fix that one.
I wonder when Ivar was added as a brother. He isn't mentioned at all in EW #1.
Post Shooter in his first appearance.

Was that EW/A&A #8? I can't remember

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:48 pm

Ryan wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Ryan wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Yeah. I for one dislike the third Anni-Padda brother angle. I'd fix that one.
I wonder when Ivar was added as a brother. He isn't mentioned at all in EW #1.
Post Shooter in his first appearance.
Was that EW/A&A #8? I can't remember

Yep.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:50 pm

And the only way that works is if Ivar vanishes from Gilad's and Aram's life long before EW #1.

I don't remember, does Timewalker #0 say how old Gilad and Aram were when Ivar vanished?

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:53 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:And the only way that works is if Ivar vanishes from Gilad's and Aram's life long before EW #1.

I don't remember, does Timewalker #0 say how old Gilad and Aram were when Ivar vanished?

Same day as Aram was born.

/Magnus

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:53 pm

magnusr wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:And the only way that works is if Ivar vanishes from Gilad's and Aram's life long before EW #1.

I don't remember, does Timewalker #0 say how old Gilad and Aram were when Ivar vanished?
Same day as Aram was born.

/Magnus

Hmmm....

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:56 pm

So what books does everyone agree SHOULD return. I assume Harbinger, XO, Shadowman, Bloodshot... of course Magnus and Solar if possible. What else?

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:57 pm

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:57 pm

Ryan wrote:So what books does everyone agree SHOULD return. I assume Harbinger, XO, Shadowman, Bloodshot... of course Magnus and Solar if possible. What else?

All of them, except for the aforementioned Visitor, Geomancer, and Secret Weapons.