Timewalker V.V.S.S.

[maggy]

Whoa, Zero gave us all a chance at it . First come first served. He's not even trying to make a profit. Plus we all had a chance for it on Ebay. I say kudos to Zero for keeping in the family.

[Rubiks-Q-Bert]

Whoa, Zero gave us all a chance at it . First come first served. He's not even trying to make a profit. Plus we all had a chance for it on Ebay. I say kudos to Zero for keeping in the family.

[cjmiller2213]

It was on my watch list as well from the day it was listed. It sold for less than guide, which hasn't happened often of late with the rarer VVSS books. Nothing was stopping anybody from bidding higher.

Actually RQB asked me to lay off of it.

And? Give someone else a chance. In my book you're almost as bad as some of these others that have been putting down big money on Valiant auctions. Your only saving point is that you dont lurk.

Why is he almost as bad as some of 'these others' that put down money for rare VALIANT books??? I am lost as to why you consider this such a bad thing. Is it because you want the book???

Lurkers or not - they are just researching and doing their homework - and whether I think it is fair or not - if you are going to spend money like this for a single issue, where better a place than here to gather information?

There is another TIMEWALKER VVSS up there now and it is almost double the price as the other. What if some of us bid on it and drive the price up to $150? Do we get to be added to your 'book'?

I don't mean to sound harsh but this post made me wonder why it is anyone's business what WBC does with his money on a public auction site?

-Cory

[Rubiks-Q-Bert]

It was on my watch list as well from the day it was listed. It sold for less than guide, which hasn't happened often of late with the rarer VVSS books. Nothing was stopping anybody from bidding higher.

Actually RQB asked me to lay off of it.

And? Give someone else a chance. In my book you're almost as bad as some of these others that have been putting down big money on Valiant auctions. Your only saving point is that you dont lurk.

Why is he almost as bad as some of 'these others' that put down money for rare VALIANT books??? I am lost as to why you consider this such a bad thing. Is it because you want the book???

Lurkers or not - they are just researching and doing their homework - and whether I think it is fair or not - if you are going to spend money like this for a single issue, where better a place than here to gather information?

There is another TIMEWALKER VVSS up there now and it is almost double the price as the other. What if some of us bid on it and drive the price up to $150? Do we get to be added to your 'book'?

I don't mean to sound harsh but this post made me wonder why it is anyone's business what WBC does with his money on a public auction site?

-Cory

You're entitled to your opinions and I am entitled to mine.

My problem with WBC (and other deep pocket people) is that wether it is a "rare" book or not he drops insane ammounts on it which makes it difficult for alot of other people. Not all of us have such deep pockets. For the record, it's everyones business when it's a public site.

My problem with lurkers (and I've said it before) most of them don't contribute anything. A forum is a place to let your opinions be known. I've had my say with greg about the matter. Thank god I don't run this site or there would only be about 400 members or so. IF it was my call I would delete anyone who had not posted within 30-60 days unless there was a legitimate reason. Like valiantdude, he posted this crap after not posting in over 2 years.

Now while I recognize your right to have an opinion, who the hell are you anyways? Rhetorical question. Read the avatar. Anything else?

[cjmiller2213]

So I guess if the lurkers posted routinely then it would be fine that they have deep pockets. I don't have deep pockets - but I am doing something called SAVING UP for a rare book and spending WHAT I HAVE TO to get the book. I want the TW#1 VVSS - if it takes $150 to make that happen (which means by your standard that I have to have deep pockets to do this since that is all that seems to buy these comics) then that is what I am going to do.

The fact that greg DOES run this site is a statement right there - he isn't changing anything so I guess the question is who the hell are you - wait - another rhetorical question isn't it.

We could argue all day - the fact will still remain that you are *SQUEE* off that people have money to spend on books you want and I am sorry but that is never going to change - whether greg makes the entire site private - ebay goes underground - or whatever - if you want VALIANT books it seems - we are ALL going to have to spend some money - I realize this and WBC realizes this - so while his actions on a public site are public - who are we to scrutinize his actions and tell him that he is in someone's 'book' now that he is forking over some hard earned cash to buy some comic books (especially those books that SHOULD have brought well over $100).

I agree with you on the topic of valiantdude - he doesn't contribute anything and then pops up and has *SPOILER* in his first post in 2 yrs - that is pretty much BS and he should be shot. But greg runs the show so anything we say are just suggestions. I guess it must be hard for some people to get over that fact - I have no problem being just a poster - not a moderater or admin. My suggestions can fly in one ear and out the other and I won't lose any sleep over it and go on with my day.

So in conclusion - I may be a noob, noobie, noobster - whatever - don't really care about titles - the fact is, I love VALIANT comics and that is why I am here - I am not here to criticize people for their actions unless those actions are against children, pets, or elderly people - anything else is pretty much none of my concern and I am not sure why you feel it is yours place to tell people how they should buy comics or when they should 'back off' from buying something on ebay. If you feel so strongly about the people's actions on here ask greg to be a moderator - if he doesn't allow this then how about we allow people to do what the please without fear of retribution. It's only a suggestion and I realize you will probably have something to say to me about this - that is fine - just don't call me any names.

[Brother J]

If something is on eBay, it's fair game to whomever wants to buy it. At times, some of us Dead Universe guys have held off on buying things that we knew a fellow collector from the boards was bidding on, but (for instance) if a copy of Break Thru #1 Ultra 5,000 ever came to my attention, I'd bid that sucker up for as much as I was willing to pay, even though I know others who need that same book.

If some of these people are throwing crazy money at books, why not let them? If they are overpaying for stuff, they are only hurting themselves in the long run.

[Second_Death]

My problem with WBC (and other deep pocket people) is that wether it is a "rare" book or not he drops insane ammounts on it which makes it difficult for alot of other people. Not all of us have such deep pockets.

So are you trying to say that people with more financial means than yourself should forfeit the right to bid on items of common interest? Does this also mean that people with deep pockets should refrain from bidding on or buying any books from you in the future?

For the record, it's everyones business when it's a public site.

Public is the key word. It means everyone and anyone has the opportunity to bid.

[cjmiller2213]

Brother J - that is pretty much what I am getting at - ebay IS fair game - period. I can understand if an item is not really in high demand and the only people bidding on it is a couple of people on a forum - then yes, I don't see a problem with letting someone else take it and not bidding at all to keep the price reasonable.

But if the item IS in high demand (like a TIMEWALKER #1 VVSS - a book with 1000 or less copies in existence and everybody on the forum wants one) - then I don't see how you can, in all fairness, ask someone NOT to bid on a book like that. The price on something like that is normally going to be more than most people can afford (yet I don't know how it didn't go for more than $100) and some people are going to be a little P.O'd. That is the nature of ebay - only one person can win an auction with 1 available item.

A recent example is the GEOMANCER #1 VVSS - it went for more than $200 - I maxed my bid at $180 - was I *SQUEE* - yes - but that is the name of the game. I will try again some other time. Am I going to bid on the TIMEWALKER - yes - and I may not win - that is the name of the game (sounds like WBC is going to give me a run for my money though. I can only hope for the best )

-Cory

[Second_Death]

So I guess if the lurkers posted routinely then it would be fine that they have deep pockets. I don't have deep pockets - but I am doing something called SAVING UP for a rare book and spending WHAT I HAVE TO to get the book. I want the TW#1 VVSS - if it takes $150 to make that happen (which means by your standard that I have to have deep pockets to do this since that is all that seems to buy these comics) then that is what I am going to do.

The fact that greg DOES run this site is a statement right there - he isn't changing anything so I guess the question is who the hell are you - wait - another rhetorical question isn't it.

We could argue all day - the fact will still remain that you are *SQUEE* off that people have money to spend on books you want and I am sorry but that is never going to change - whether greg makes the entire site private - ebay goes underground - or whatever - if you want VALIANT books it seems - we are ALL going to have to spend some money - I realize this and WBC realizes this - so while his actions on a public site are public - who are we to scrutinize his actions and tell him that he is in someone's 'book' now that he is forking over some hard earned cash to buy some comic books (especially those books that SHOULD have brought well over $100).

I agree with you on the topic of valiantdude - he doesn't contribute anything and then pops up and has *SPOILER* in his first post in 2 yrs - that is pretty much BS and he should be shot. But greg runs the show so anything we say are just suggestions. I guess it must be hard for some people to get over that fact - I have no problem being just a poster - not a moderater or admin. My suggestions can fly in one ear and out the other and I won't lose any sleep over it and go on with my day.

So in conclusion - I may be a noob, noobie, noobster - whatever - don't really care about titles - the fact is, I love VALIANT comics and that is why I am here - I am not here to criticize people for their actions unless those actions are against children, pets, or elderly people - anything else is pretty much none of my concern and I am not sure why you feel it is yours place to tell people how they should buy comics or when they should 'back off' from buying something on ebay. If you feel so strongly about the people's actions on here ask greg to be a moderator - if he doesn't allow this then how about we allow people to do what the please without fear of retribution. It's only a suggestion and I realize you will probably have something to say to me about this - that is fine - just don't call me any names.

Agreed. Good post, cj.

[Chiclo]

If something is on eBay, it's fair game to whomever wants to buy it. At times, some of us Dead Universe guys have held off on buying things that we knew a fellow collector from the boards was bidding on, but (for instance) if a copy of Break Thru #1 Ultra 5,000 ever came to my attention, I'd bid that sucker up for as much as I was willing to pay, even though I know others who need that same book.

If some of these people are throwing crazy money at books, why not let them? If they are overpaying for stuff, they are only hurting themselves in the long run.

Dude! I've got one of those! I bought like 10 Ultra 5000s for $2.50 plus shipping.

It looks sweet!

[Zero]

Brother J - that is pretty much what I am getting at - ebay IS fair game - period. I can understand if an item is not really in high demand and the only people bidding on it is a couple of people on a forum - then yes, I don't see a problem with letting someone else take it and not bidding at all to keep the price reasonable.

But if the item IS in high demand (like a TIMEWALKER #1 VVSS - a book with 1000 or less copies in existence and everybody on the forum wants one) - then I don't see how you can, in all fairness, ask someone NOT to bid on a book like that. The price on something like that is normally going to be more than most people can afford (yet I don't know how it didn't go for more than $100) and some people are going to be a little P.O'd. That is the nature of ebay - only one person can win an auction with 1 available item.

A recent example is the GEOMANCER #1 VVSS - it went for more than $200 - I maxed my bid at $180 - was I *SQUEE* - yes - but that is the name of the game. I will try again some other time. Am I going to bid on the TIMEWALKER - yes - and I may not win - that is the name of the game (sounds like WBC is going to give me a run for my money though. I can only hope for the best )

-Cory

You've got a good outlook on E-bay. I like the way you think!

[Rufusharley]

Alright....i want everyone in the world not to buy diamonds, that way the price will come down and i can aford them.

[Rubiks-Q-Bert]

Again. I have my opinions and you all have yours. I may not like what you say but I respect that you say it. Opinions are made to be expressed. Have a nice day.

[maggy]

OK Zero , I have 100 copies Turok 1 that are yours for the trade. Guide says $1 each , that's $100. What do you say ?

[Brother J]

If something is on eBay, it's fair game to whomever wants to buy it. At times, some of us Dead Universe guys have held off on buying things that we knew a fellow collector from the boards was bidding on, but (for instance) if a copy of Break Thru #1 Ultra 5,000 ever came to my attention, I'd bid that sucker up for as much as I was willing to pay, even though I know others who need that same book.

If some of these people are throwing crazy money at books, why not let them? If they are overpaying for stuff, they are only hurting themselves in the long run.

Dude! I've got one of those! I bought like 10 Ultra 5000s for $2.50 plus shipping.

It looks sweet!

You suck! You keep torturing me with the fact that you've got that book!

[Second_Death]

Alright....i want everyone in the world not to buy diamonds, that way the price will come down and i can aford them.

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about Lamborghini's.

[Second_Death]

.......................and Cayman Island beach front property.

[cjmiller2213]

Again. I have my opinions and you all have yours. I may not like what you say but I respect that you say it. Opinions are made to be expressed. Have a nice day.

That is the spirit - opinions are made to be expressed and I too respect what you have to say. The fact that we can disagree and respect each other is what makes this a nice little place to escape.

How we handle these conflicting opinions speaks louder than any words - I am glad that, for the most part, we can all disagree gracefully and go about our lives talking about VALIANT, helping others find that ever elusive VVSS, and joking about who knows what.

If we ever forget this and fail to remember what really matters on this board - then we won't have to worry about ebay or lurkers - greg will come out of the shadows and slice through our little sliver of reality - consequently putting us in a state of virtual time-out and not letting us out until we recognize fully what we have done.

-Cory

[Rubiks-Q-Bert]

Again. I have my opinions and you all have yours. I may not like what you say but I respect that you say it. Opinions are made to be expressed. Have a nice day.

That is the spirit - opinions are made to be expressed and I too respect what you have to say. The fact that we can disagree and respect each other is what makes this a nice little place to escape.

How we handle these conflicting opinions speaks louder than any words - I am glad that, for the most part, we can all disagree gracefully and go about our lives talking about VALIANT, helping others find that ever elusive VVSS, and joking about who knows what.

If we ever forget this and fail to remember what really matters on this board - then we won't have to worry about ebay or lurkers - greg will come out of the shadows and slice through our little sliver of reality - consequently putting us in a state of virtual time-out and not letting us out until we recognize fully what we have done.

-Cory

My opinions about the lurking won't change. It's the fact that they come to get something for nothing basically. They come and see what we sell and don't contribute a thing. Then there are the lurkers who come back after 2 years and post a spoiler. WTF is that about? I allready had my rant about the projects as well. Same thing. Be gone for months on end and then show up for a project. It's probably a good thing I don't moderate or run a site.

[cjmiller2213]

It is probably a good thing I don't moderate either. But I feel greg does an excellent job and wouldn't have it any other way.

[Rubiks-Q-Bert]

It is probably a good thing I don't moderate either. But I feel greg does an excellent job and wouldn't have it any other way.

I'd have it down to about 400 people or so. In a quick talk with greg yesterday he told me only about 300 people even logged in last month. So that leaves 1000 or so people unaccounted for. Sad.

[cjmiller2213]

The price on the Timewalker VVSS is fu@*!&! STUPID - what the hell - it is going for more than the Geomancer! How did the other one not sell for even $100????? WHAT DID I MISS??!!??

-Cory (supremely *SQUEE* off because I wanted that book - but it will NEVER be worth $200 in my eyes so they can have it).

[Rubiks-Q-Bert]

The price on the Timewalker VVSS is fu@*!&! STUPID - what the hell - it is going for more than the Geomancer! How did the other one not sell for even $100????? WHAT DID I MISS??!!??

-Cory (supremely *SQUEE* off because I wanted that book - but it will NEVER be worth $200 in my eyes so they can have it).

Better worded. Better advertised. It was Trents.

[JohnnyRnR]

Yup. I was hoping to spend too much on that book, but it will take copious amounts of liquors I no longer drink to make me win it tonight.

[worldsbestcomics]

I forgot about this thread and just read it to find out that my bids on some eBay auctions have apparently generated some hard feelings.

I don't have a lot of money and I don't think I bid insane amounts of money on anything. But when it is a book for charity or to support Trent's family then I don't consider market value particularly relevant if it is a book I want. I'd rather pay a bit more for a book with some good mojo attached to it and have the money go to a good cause than pay market price for a generic book.

This VVSS book was a generic book and when RQB asked me to lay off, I did it as a favor to another Valiant Board member. I was the first bidder so at the time, I didn't know anybody was going to bid.

I understand that there is always going to be some disappointment when you lose a book on an auction. Particularly if it is a book you really want. If anyone out there has any hard feelings toward me besides RQB, please shoot me a PM.