The Omac Project: I'm not a big DC guy, but it's good stuff!

[Peter Parker]

Not bad at all, I never owned the Kirby Omac books, but read a few through the years.

The Omac "Opus" in my opinion, was the John Byrne 4-book series from the early 90's awesome read, and one of the last TRUE John Byrne works of art that is worth the effort

This present tale is alright, I kind of like the idea that Batman created Brother eye...for his own, "reasons"...good stuff

[myron]

I've got a few OMAC issues...and the John Byrne series...good stuff

[Redtrax]

This present tale is alright, I kind of like the idea that Batman created Brother eye...for his own, "reasons"...good stuff

It has been done before, sort of, in JLA #42 if I remember correctly, "Tower of Babel" storyline?

Anyways, what I really think is backwards is the importance of the Superman/WW "Sacrifice" crossover to the series without prior notice.

Not that I read the series, haha

[Byrneout]

Although I understand the reference to "Tower Of Babel", I think this is much more than a re-tread of that concept. After all, the only *real* common element between the two is Brother Eye/Batman's Folly. The OMAC's themselves don't fit into the ToB paradigm.

And hey - they TOLD us that Sacrificce was huge, and was a tie-in to Omac Project. So if we missed out - well, it's nto liek they haven't warned us.

Regardless, this last issue of OMAC Project was incredible. DC is headed more and more into a direction that reminds me of the early Valiants - everything, even though it is so fantastic, suddenly seems so real. The characters have started acting like people, and a lot less like superheroes, and this issue showcased a lot of that.

And the final page? That sent a chill down my spine the likes of which I've not received from a comic book since the Superstar line from H.A.R.D. Corps of "These bullet casings... are... hot?"

Well done.

[Todd Luck]

Not bad at all, I never owned the Kirby Omac books, but read a few through the years.

The Omac "Opus" in my opinion, was the John Byrne 4-book series from the early 90's awesome read, and one of the last TRUE John Byrne works of art that is worth the effort

This present tale is alright, I kind of like the idea that Batman created Brother eye...for his own, "reasons"...good stuff

Byrne's Omac, despite the convulted time travel explanation at the end, was very good. Highly recommended. I'ld actually say Byrne's put out a lot of stuff that's "worth the effort" since then (he's one of the few comic creators I still bother buying new comics from). His current work on Doom Patrol is excellent (which is probably why DC is canceling it in a few monthes ).

A question: I read Countdown and, other than Brother Eye and a mohawk motif, there really didn't seem to be any resemblence between this "Omac" and Kirby's. It seemed more like a rip-off of Weapon Plus (from Morrison's New X-Men). Are there any similarities between the Omacs and Kirby's creation?

[Byrneout]

There's not much similarity between the two - it's more of an homage to Byrne in the selection of the name and design, in my opinion.

Also, there are a lot of differences between the OMAC storyline and the Weapon Plus story - but you need to read the OMAC Project to get the rest of the story.

[Todd Luck]

There's not much similarity between the two - it's more of an homage to Byrne in the selection of the name and design, in my opinion.

Don't you mean a homage to Kirby?

I can never understand why the majority of times a Kirby name or creation is used in a DC comic they're usually barely recognizable to the original concept. Byrne and Simonson are the only guys who I can tell actually bothered reading Kirby's stuff before they do his DC characters.

[davidb]

Just a couple of examples of Kirby "updates" that still stayed pretty close to the original concepts (well, in my opinion, anyway):

Karl Kesel's introduction of the Animal Men from Kamandi in Superboy. With Kamandi being wiped out by Crisis, I thought this was an interesting way to bring them in, and we got a lot of the classic characters (notably Great Caesar, Prince Tuftan, and Dr. Canus). Instead of being in a far future, we found out they were a genetic experiment by the Cadmus Project. Actually, you might want to check out several of the Karl Kesel issues from his second Superboy run (#50 and later). There were a lot of Kirbyesque influences, and they all seemed to lie closely to his visions.

This isn't a reimagining, and it's older, but have you ever read the Legion's Great Darkness Saga? Levitz brings Darkseid into the thirtieth century and perfectly nails the character.

[Redtrax]

Talking about Kirby, anybody here read Godland?

[Byrneout]

There's not much similarity between the two - it's more of an homage to Byrne in the selection of the name and design, in my opinion.

Don't you mean a homage to Kirby?

Sorry, you're right. I get hit over the head a lot.

[Byrneout]

Talking about Kirby, anybody here read Godland?

Nope. Any good?

[Todd Luck]

There's not much similarity between the two - it's more of an homage to Byrne in the selection of the name and design, in my opinion.

Don't you mean a homage to Kirby?

Sorry, you're right. I get hit over the head a lot.

Well that explains a lot!

[Byrneout]

In fact, I get hit with metal things.

*HEAVY* metal things.

I get hit HARD, too.

Someday, I'll share my stories of the world's meanest chairshot, my first chairshot, the Green Lantern Oath Incident, and the Ric Byrne Chairshot Invitational.

[Redtrax]

Talking about Kirby, anybody here read Godland?

Nope. Any good?

If you are a fan of Kirby"s art? Yup!
It's a bit of a cross between Challengers of the Unknown and FF

[tarheelmarine]

So I finally got to read this series, and it filled in a lot of questions I had from IC. I really enjoyed the plot and the art. I never did figure out what D.E.O stood for so I will have to look it up, but this series is definitely intriguing and can be found on the cheap now that is is 2 1/2 years old.


A couple random thoughts from the series:

I always like seeing new romantic flames for Batman.

I found it puzzling that Guy Gardner was classified as an Alpha. I have to assume it's due to the ring, but I would put all GL's as betas. The ring just isn't that powerful.

[superman-prime]

Id think all the gls would be alpha's considering some of the stuff they have been able to do in recent years.

Minus the big 3 and a few other dc guys. the ringslingers are way up there in just plain power.

[Byrneout]

I found it puzzling that Guy Gardner was classified as an Alpha. I have to assume it's due to the ring, but I would put all GL's as betas. The ring just isn't that powerful.

I think the ring is far more powerful than one normally assumes. It's more the writers in the past who have scaled down what it can do - but truth be told, it can do ANYTHING so long as you have the willpower to maintain it.

Add in that Guy is easily one of the more violent GL's, and also has a Vuldarian physiology... well, I can see Alpha class for him.

[tarheelmarine]

I found it puzzling that Guy Gardner was classified as an Alpha. I have to assume it's due to the ring, but I would put all GL's as betas. The ring just isn't that powerful.

I think the ring is far more powerful than one normally assumes. It's more the writers in the past who have scaled down what it can do - but truth be told, it can do ANYTHING so long as you have the willpower to maintain it.

Add in that Guy is easily one of the more violent GL's, and also has a Vuldarian physiology... well, I can see Alpha class for him.

I think his lack of thinking is what bumps him down in my book.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

It's alive.....ALIVE!!!!!

[Byrneout]

I think his lack of thinking is what bumps him down in my book.

Well, remember it is a threat assessment category - or in other words:

If you were in a dubious position, but could explain your position, would you like to face off against Hal, Kyle, or Guy?

Hal or Kyle would hear you out. Guy would beat you unconscious before you could get out "It's not what it seems!"

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

I found it puzzling that Guy Gardner was classified as an Alpha. I have to assume it's due to the ring, but I would put all GL's as betas. The ring just isn't that powerful.

I think the ring is far more powerful than one normally assumes. It's more the writers in the past who have scaled down what it can do - but truth be told, it can do ANYTHING so long as you have the willpower to maintain it.

Add in that Guy is easily one of the more violent GL's, and also has a Vuldarian physiology... well, I can see Alpha class for him.

Guy Gardner has a Vuldarian physiology....? Huh? I guess I missed something.

[Cyberstrike]

I found it puzzling that Guy Gardner was classified as an Alpha. I have to assume it's due to the ring, but I would put all GL's as betas. The ring just isn't that powerful.

I think the ring is far more powerful than one normally assumes. It's more the writers in the past who have scaled down what it can do - but truth be told, it can do ANYTHING so long as you have the willpower to maintain it.

Add in that Guy is easily one of the more violent GL's, and also has a Vuldarian physiology... well, I can see Alpha class for him.

Guy Gardner has a Vuldarian physiology....? Huh? I guess I missed something.

Not anymore Hal Jordan "fixed" that problem for him in Green Lantern:
Rebirth, and Christ I HATE that series.

[tarheelmarine]

I think his lack of thinking is what bumps him down in my book.

Well, remember it is a threat assessment category - or in other words:

If you were in a dubious position, but could explain your position, would you like to face off against Hal, Kyle, or Guy?

Hal or Kyle would hear you out. Guy would beat you unconscious before you could get out "It's not what it seems!"

I disagree. Gardner is the easiest to beat of them all. All you would have to do is breakout SI Swimsuit issue, then slice his throat, cut the ring from his finger. Heck, I bet his ring longs to go to someone else.

[leonmallett]

Talking about Kirby, anybody here read Godland?

Yes! Love it.

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[ilzuccone]

Talking about Kirby, anybody here read Godland?

Yes! Love it.

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