VALIANT IP FIGHT OVER! - Dec. 28, 2007

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:37 am

Daniel Jackson wrote:Now that the legal battle is over, hopefully we can now be told the status of the Magnus, Solar and Turok.

Maybe we have already been told indirectly by the use of the Lost Land and Chicak in the upcoming animated movie of a relationship between VEI and Random.

The copyright notice in the comics is clear. Any new character in the comic, was the property of Voyager, not Western.

betterthanezra · Post by **betterthanezra** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:55 am

ManofTheAtom wrote:
IanAlexavier wrote:Regarding the rights that Dark Horse has. We dont know anything about this agreement. It could be something or nothing. Or it could be limited by a certain amount of time.

If someone buys the rights to produce a product based on an image doesnt that usually run out at some time? Its not like it is a forever thing, right??

If they can get Magnus and Solar worked out then we have everything we need... I think

Oh yeah... we need..... SHOOTER... well, it would be a fun thing
You know what? That entire mini debate about DH is unfounded.

Both DH and IBooks couldn't have the license to print new Magnus material simoultenously, so if IBooks published a Magnus comic, that means DH does not have and never did have the license to do it themselves.

Didn't I write this in a previous post yesterday

When DH picked up the license for classic Solar & Magnus IBooks had the license for NEW Magnus material at the same time.This didn't include Solar to my knowledge.

-Brian

cinlach@aol.com · Post by **cinlach@aol.com** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:01 am

Brother J wrote:
cinlach@aol.com wrote:i can't go back to the newsarama announcement thread...i don't want to end up in a scuffle with "Quacko" (a.k.a. "Deficate1") and get the thread locked.
Maybe you could just post and try to ignore the guy...

my disdain of that individual goes far above any desire i might have to ignore him.

i know my limitations well enough to know that eventually the desire to verbally strangle "Quacko" will overwhelm my desire to not turn the victory thread into a bloodbath of biblical proportions.

better to step away gracefully before the temptation gets to be too much, besides...he doesn't need my help to look like a freakin' dipthong.

i know there's folks here who get along with him, and possibly still call him friend...but that ain't me.

he contacted me completely unprovoked about 2 years ago with the vilest sort of slander involving someone i know to be not only a good man, but an honest and ethical one as well.

to say the things he said to me about this person, that he had apparently said the exact same thing to others as well, was tantamount to character assassination of the highest order and i will not tolerate it.

i have zero restraint when it comes to that individual, he needs to be verbally slapped hard and often.

so out of respect to dino, jason, and walter i've got to limit my time over there.

otherwise i know exactly what will happen.

am i weak? lacking in self-control? antagonistic?

no, just passionate about not suffering fools lightly.

i do appreciate the advice, however i just know i'm not capable of following it.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:01 am

betterthanezra wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
IanAlexavier wrote:Regarding the rights that Dark Horse has. We dont know anything about this agreement. It could be something or nothing. Or it could be limited by a certain amount of time.

If someone buys the rights to produce a product based on an image doesnt that usually run out at some time? Its not like it is a forever thing, right??

If they can get Magnus and Solar worked out then we have everything we need... I think

Oh yeah... we need..... SHOOTER... well, it would be a fun thing
You know what? That entire mini debate about DH is unfounded.

Both DH and IBooks couldn't have the license to print new Magnus material simoultenously, so if IBooks published a Magnus comic, that means DH does not have and never did have the license to do it themselves.
Didn't I write this in a previous post yesterday

When DH picked up the license for classic Solar & Magnus IBooks had the license for NEW Magnus material at the same time.This didn't include Solar to my knowledge.

-Brian

Didn't see it

worldsbestcomics · Post by **worldsbestcomics** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:55 pm

What great news.

Now I have one more thing to look forward to in 2008 - adding a Valiant title to my "file" at my LCS.

Happy New Year to Dino and all the gang at VEI. I think 2008 will be good to you.

JustinOfDacia · Post by **JustinOfDacia** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:38 pm

You know: between Shooter Vs. Valiant, Defiant Vs. Marvel, and VEI vs VIP a entire book could be written about Comic Books and Intellectual property LOL

dino · Post by **dino** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:52 pm

JustinOfDacia wrote:You know: between Shooter Vs. Valiant, Defiant Vs. Marvel, and VEI vs VIP a entire book could be written about Comic Books and Intellectual property LOL

user1463 · Post by **user1463** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:07 pm

VHMMV wrote:I'm glad to see that Dino and Co. bit the bullet and settled this puppy. Really, when you get right down to it, it was the only practical alternative.

It'll be interesting to see what new products they'll unveil now that they've got clear title. Today's marketplace isn't yesterday's, and if it was me, I'd concentrate all of the Valiant goodwill on a single title, rather than unleash even just a few. No new line from any small publisher in the last few years has been a success, recognizable properties or no. I wonder who'll be first up at bat?

Harbinger's core concept and past sales & marketing success make it a top contender. A new Harbinger book would appeal to both mutant collector and discriminating reader alike. To me, its the smartest choice for a launch title.

Going with a single title rather than releasing a whole line figures to be a smart play all around too. The first rule of good drama is to start small and build much like Shooter and Co. did in contrast to "Birthquake."

Plus, there is always the flip-book concept.

fury143 · Post by **fury143** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:20 pm

Wow, missed a few days and missed this BIG announcement. Congrats valiant

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:49 am

Brother J wrote:
cinlach@aol.com wrote:i can't go back to the newsarama announcement thread...i don't want to end up in a scuffle with "Quacko" (a.k.a. "Deficate1") and get the thread locked.
Maybe you could just post and try to ignore the guy...

Tell him to go F himself.

cinlach@aol.com · Post by **cinlach@aol.com** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:59 am

jedimarley wrote:
Brother J wrote:
cinlach@aol.com wrote:i can't go back to the newsarama announcement thread...i don't want to end up in a scuffle with "Quacko" (a.k.a. "Deficate1") and get the thread locked.
Maybe you could just post and try to ignore the guy...
Tell him to go F himself.

who, me or the big Q?

<sniffle>

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:03 pm

cinlach@aol.com wrote:
jedimarley wrote:
Brother J wrote:
cinlach@aol.com wrote:i can't go back to the newsarama announcement thread...i don't want to end up in a scuffle with "Quacko" (a.k.a. "Deficate1") and get the thread locked.
Maybe you could just post and try to ignore the guy...
Tell him to go F himself.
who, me or the big Q?

<sniffle>

Not you. Q.

Only I can tell you to go F yourself.

cinlach@aol.com · Post by **cinlach@aol.com** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 1:04 pm

jedimarley wrote:
cinlach@aol.com wrote:
jedimarley wrote:
Brother J wrote:
cinlach@aol.com wrote:i can't go back to the newsarama announcement thread...i don't want to end up in a scuffle with "Quacko" (a.k.a. "Deficate1") and get the thread locked.
Maybe you could just post and try to ignore the guy...
Tell him to go F himself.
who, me or the big Q?

<sniffle>
Not you. Q.

Only I can tell you to go F yourself.

whew, that makes me feel a lot better.

waitaminute!

Rubiks-Q-Bert · Post by **Rubiks-Q-Bert** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 1:58 pm

I have been trying to explain this situation to a few of my friends. They don't get it. They are not comic people. Basically I tell them this is a really big deal to Valiant fans.

I was just talking with Brian yesterday about this. I think it would be wise to spend some time really focusing on getting a creative team together and start releasing stuff late in 08 or maybe even 09. But, I think they should keep the HC's coming.

Second_Death · Post by **Second_Death** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:45 pm

Rubiks-Q-Bert wrote:I have been trying to explain this situation to a few of my friends. They don't get it. They are not comic people. Basically I tell them this is a really big deal to Valiant fans. I was just talking with Brian yesterday about this. I think it would be wise to spend some time really focusing on getting a creative team together and start releasing stuff late in 08 or maybe even 09. But, I think they should keep the HC's coming.

Agreed......100%. Assuming, of course, this is financially possible.

MoonChild · Post by **MoonChild** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:31 pm

Well I would assume so because why else would they invest as much time and energy into becoming the sole owners of the universe. But that would only be my assumption.

Second_Death wrote:
Rubiks-Q-Bert wrote:I have been trying to explain this situation to a few of my friends. They don't get it. They are not comic people. Basically I tell them this is a really big deal to Valiant fans. I was just talking with Brian yesterday about this. I think it would be wise to spend some time really focusing on getting a creative team together and start releasing stuff late in 08 or maybe even 09. But, I think they should keep the HC's coming.
Agreed......100%. Assuming, of course, this is financially possible.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:10 pm

Hey even if they were in need of some cash injection, how long would it take to kick start some auction events with items donated by Valiant fans to help out with the funding of the first new project.

I would more than happily throw a massive ebay auction together myself and donate all the proceeds to VEI like yesterday.

HMMMMMM !!

got me thinking here.

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 9:37 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:Now that the legal battle is over, hopefully we can now be told the status of the Magnus, Solar and Turok.
Maybe we have already been told indirectly by the use of the Lost Land and Chicak in the upcoming animated movie of a relationship between VEI and Random.

The copyright notice in the comics is clear. Any new character in the comic, was the property of Voyager, not Western.

What upcoming animated movie?

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 9:46 pm

Todd Luck wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:Maybe we have already been told indirectly by the use of the Lost Land and Chicak in the upcoming animated movie of a relationship between VEI and Random.

The copyright notice in the comics is clear. Any new character in the comic was the property of Voyager, not Western.
What upcoming animated movie?

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 9:51 pm

In the above trailer at the 58 second mark there's a copyright notice that ends with "Used by permission".

WHAT is used by permisison? I can't make it out. It basically says that the Turok TM and (R) is co-owned by Classic Media Inc and someone else, but I can't make out who. It's like three words long.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 9:58 pm

You saw more than me.

My picture quality was so bad in large i couldnt make the writing at all.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:00 pm

Draco wrote:

You saw more than me.

My picture quality was so bad in large i couldnt make the writing at all.

Heh, I forgot that I could enlarge it

It seems to say Entertainment Rights Group Company. Used by permission.

That tracks with what Quato said

ManofTheAtom wrote:
Since Dark Horse has been using the old Gold Key characters, it's a safe bet that a licensing arrangement has already been made with Dark Horse. Have no fear though. The new Valiant owners are using the same lawyers that represent Entertainment Rights PLC. It's amazing what you can get done when the lawyers are on your side.

Q
Interesting.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:10 pm

Well looks like i have to wait for you or one of the other guys to let me know when you do.

Im noticing im not the only one who now has nothing more on my mind than the next phase of the legal issues for VEI and the Magnus, Solar & Turok publishing( new material) rights.

However I realize these guys must have a good plan and if its still gonna take a lot of time and effort and wrangling for us find out the real story Im willing to wait patiently so its all not rushed and I offer my full support at all times.

Ian

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:12 pm

Draco wrote:Well looks like i have to wait for you or one of the other guys to let me know when you do.

Im noticing im not the only one who now has nothing more on my mind than the next phase of the legal issues for VEI and the Magnus, Solar & Turok publishing( new material) rights.

However I realize these guys must have a good plan and if its still gonna take a lot of time and effort and wrangling for us find out the real story Im willing to wait patiently so its all not rushed and I offer my full support at all times.

Ian

I do hope that they get the licenses for all three characters (and hopefully even more). Without Solar and Magnus VALIANT is incomplete.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:22 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
Draco wrote:Well looks like i have to wait for you or one of the other guys to let me know when you do.

Im noticing im not the only one who now has nothing more on my mind than the next phase of the legal issues for VEI and the Magnus, Solar & Turok publishing( new material) rights.

However I realize these guys must have a good plan and if its still gonna take a lot of time and effort and wrangling for us find out the real story Im willing to wait patiently so its all not rushed and I offer my full support at all times.

Ian
I do hope that they get the licenses for all three characters (and hopefully even more). Without Solar and Magnus VALIANT is incomplete.

Yes most definitely dude.

Incomplete.

Possible though something i would support till my head falls off but preferable to wait and be all at ease.