Unity and Shadowman: Paul N'Dour - Liar

[ManofTheAtom]

http://www.valiantentertainment.com/wik ... Geomancers

Those who fail, for a variety of reasons, are left with a heightened sense of the world but do not speak for the Earth.

Didn't Paul tell Jack that he spoke for the Earth when he told him to go to the Lost Land?

According to the book of geomancers, those who fail do not speak for the Earth.

This gives the entire debate over the Earth wanting Unity to last long enough for Kris to give birth a new perspective.

If Jack's presense was not as a result of the Earth's wishes, then the Earth did not want Unity to last as long as it did.

[greg]

http://www.valiantentertainment.com/wik ... Geomancers

Those who fail, for a variety of reasons, are left with a heightened sense of the world but do not speak for the Earth.

Didn't Paul tell Jack that he spoke for the Earth when he told him to go to the Lost Land?

According to the book of geomancers, those who fail do not speak for the Earth.

This gives the entire debate over the Earth wanting Unity to last long enough for Kris to give birth a new perspective.

If Jack's presense was not as a result of the Earth's wishes, then the Earth did not want Unity to last as long as it did.

Since Magnus _did_ already exist in Erica's timeline, prior to Unity, does that mean there was a "first Unity"?
Was there already a Unity in (that particular) Erica Pierce's history?
Did baby Magnus already get to 4000AD because of another Unity we didn't see?
Did we read about the second Unity? (The one that failed?)
(Did they both fail?) (Just how many times did Unity occur?)
(How many different timelines split from that event?)
(How many different timelines split from Alpha & Omega?)
(...and wouldn't the geomancers in each split only have "their" truth?)

Ahhh... the possibilities.

[JustCallMeAric]

http://www.valiantentertainment.com/wik ... Geomancers

Those who fail, for a variety of reasons, are left with a heightened sense of the world but do not speak for the Earth.

Didn't Paul tell Jack that he spoke for the Earth when he told him to go to the Lost Land?

According to the book of geomancers, those who fail do not speak for the Earth.

This gives the entire debate over the Earth wanting Unity to last long enough for Kris to give birth a new perspective.

If Jack's presense was not as a result of the Earth's wishes, then the Earth did not want Unity to last as long as it did.

Since Magnus _did_ already exist in Erica's timeline, prior to Unity, does that mean there was a "first Unity"?
Was there already a Unity in (that particular) Erica Pierce's history?
Did baby Magnus already get to 4000AD because of another Unity we didn't see?
Did we read about the second Unity? (The one that failed?)
(Did they both fail?) (Just how many times did Unity occur?)
(How many different timelines split from that event?)
(How many different timelines split from Alpha & Omega?)
(...and wouldn't the geomancers in each split only have "their" truth?)

Ahhh... the possibilities.

Greg my head is about to explode now. Thanks.

[ManofTheAtom]

Since Magnus _did_ already exist in Erica's timeline, prior to Unity, does that mean there was a "first Unity"?

Nah, it probably means that history already played its part as it was supposed to.

At VALIANT, effect usually came before the cause, which is how Magnus could be alive even before Unity, or how Grandmother could create Rai in Bloodshot's image even before Geoff freed Angelo from Project Rising Spirit.

Unity resulted in two events that gave way to the 41st Century; Magnus' birth in the Lost Land and Geoff learning about Bloodshot.

Had it not been for Unity, Magnus would not have been sent to the 40th Century, and Geoff would not have known that he had to free Bloodshot.

Since Magnus and Rai predated Unity (i.e. effect), Magnus' birth and Bloodshot's release (i.e. cause) were predestined to occur.

[Dr. Solar]

These are a bunch of wacky questions that I don't think can be answered by our simple minds.

[greg]

Since Magnus _did_ already exist in Erica's timeline, prior to Unity, does that mean there was a "first Unity"?

Nah, it probably means that history already played its part as it was supposed to.

At VALIANT, effect usually came before the cause, which is how Magnus could be alive even before Unity, or how Grandmother could create Rai in Bloodshot's image even before Geoff freed Angelo from Project Rising Spirit.

Unity resulted in two events that gave way to the 41st Century; Magnus' birth in the Lost Land and Geoff learning about Bloodshot.

Had it not been for Unity, Magnus would not have been sent to the 40th Century, and Geoff would not have known that he had to free Bloodshot.

Since Magnus and Rai predated Unity (i.e. effect), Magnus' birth and Bloodshot's release (i.e. cause) were predestined to occur.

Eternal Warrior 4001 remembered the war,
"but it didn't go like this..." he says...
In (our) Unity, he gets a new scar.

We can't be "witnessing" the first Unity.
Eternal Warrior 4001 was part of a different one.
Magnus was born during Unity... a different one.

[ManofTheAtom]

Eternal Warrior 4001 remembered the war,
"but it didn't go like this..." he says...
In (our) Unity, he gets a new scar.

We can't be "witnessing" the first Unity.
Eternal Warrior 4001 was part of a different one.
Magnus was born during Unity... a different one.

Are you going to trust the word of someone who underwent multiple psycho probings?

Of all the characters that could have made that remark, Shooter chose to give the line to an amnesic (sp?).

Gilad 4001 also warned his past self about a fight with Aram that he regreted having... that fight never happened.

[greg]

Eternal Warrior 4001 remembered the war,
"but it didn't go like this..." he says...
In (our) Unity, he gets a new scar.

We can't be "witnessing" the first Unity.
Eternal Warrior 4001 was part of a different one.
Magnus was born during Unity... a different one.

Are you going to trust the word of someone who underwent multiple psycho probings?

Of all the characters that could have made that remark, Shooter chose to give the line to an amnesic (sp?).

Gilad 4001 also warned his past self about a fight with Aram that he regreted having... that fight never happened.

Shooter also gave a brand new scar to Gilad. Not possible unless something changed.

[ManofTheAtom]

Shooter also gave a brand new scar to Gilad. Not possible unless something changed.

Something can change in Gilad's life and be limited to that one individual's life without affecting anything else.

For Gilad, that scar was a change, but other characters didn't exhibit such alterations.

[Dr. Solar]

We can't be "witnessing" the first Unity.
Eternal Warrior 4001 was part of a different one.
Magnus was born during Unity... a different one.

Then who is the baby that Solar brought to the future at the end of "our" Unity, if he isn't Magnus as we know him?

[cjv]

Eternal Warrior 4001 remembered the war,
"but it didn't go like this..." he says...
In (our) Unity, he gets a new scar.

We can't be "witnessing" the first Unity.
Eternal Warrior 4001 was part of a different one.
Magnus was born during Unity... a different one.

Are you going to trust the word of someone who underwent multiple psycho probings?

Of all the characters that could have made that remark, Shooter chose to give the line to an amnesic (sp?).

Gilad 4001 also warned his past self about a fight with Aram that he regreted having... that fight never happened.

Wo else could have made that remark? Gilad was the only one who was present at Unity in both a younger AND older fashion.

Chris

[thePike]

maybe it didn't contain the "future" characters in the first instance - Rai, EW(old), and magnus?

[BloodOfHeroes]

Shooter also gave a brand new scar to Gilad. Not possible unless something changed.

And about that scar...

Aram could grow back a new pair of legs, but Gilad still had a scar from a tree branch two millennia later?!?!?! Huh???

[eternalwarrior]

Shooter also gave a brand new scar to Gilad. Not possible unless something changed.

And about that scar...

Aram could grow back a new pair of legs, but Gilad still had a scar from a tree branch two millennia later?!?!?! Huh???

That bothered me too.

[Dr. Solar]

Shooter also gave a brand new scar to Gilad. Not possible unless something changed.

And about that scar...

Aram could grow back a new pair of legs, but Gilad still had a scar from a tree branch two millennia later?!?!?! Huh???

DON'T QUESTION THE PLOT DEVICE.

[Chiclo]

Shooter also gave a brand new scar to Gilad. Not possible unless something changed.

And about that scar...

Aram could grow back a new pair of legs, but Gilad still had a scar from a tree branch two millennia later?!?!?! Huh???

DON'T QUESTION THE PLOT DEVICE.

But, Solar destroyed the A&O universe immediately... with a black hole...

[Dr. Solar]

Shooter also gave a brand new scar to Gilad. Not possible unless something changed.

And about that scar...

Aram could grow back a new pair of legs, but Gilad still had a scar from a tree branch two millennia later?!?!?! Huh???

DON'T QUESTION THE PLOT DEVICE.

But, Solar destroyed the A&O universe immediately... with a black hole...

Then how come my hardcover copy of the story wasn't destroyed?

[Chiclo]

Shooter also gave a brand new scar to Gilad. Not possible unless something changed.

And about that scar...

Aram could grow back a new pair of legs, but Gilad still had a scar from a tree branch two millennia later?!?!?! Huh???

DON'T QUESTION THE PLOT DEVICE.

But, Solar destroyed the A&O universe immediately... with a black hole...

Then how come my hardcover copy of the story wasn't destroyed?

YOU JUST WANT DC LITE AND BARNYARD ANIMALS THAT KNOW MATTER EATER LAD!

[ManofTheAtom]

Shooter also gave a brand new scar to Gilad. Not possible unless something changed.

And about that scar...

Aram could grow back a new pair of legs, but Gilad still had a scar from a tree branch two millennia later?!?!?! Huh???

Did it?

The scar is not in the Post Unity comics, is it?

Does he even have it in Future Force?

[BloodOfHeroes]

Did it?

The scar is not in the Post Unity comics, is it?

Does he even have it in Future Force?

Well, "Twin Gils Mall" became "Lone Gil Mall" after UNITY...

[Dr. Solar]

Shooter also gave a brand new scar to Gilad. Not possible unless something changed.

And about that scar...

Aram could grow back a new pair of legs, but Gilad still had a scar from a tree branch two millennia later?!?!?! Huh???

Did it?

The scar is not in the Post Unity comics, is it?

Does he even have it in Future Force?

It's rude to point out someone's flaws. The artists are kind. They also left out Geoff's continuous acne breakouts.

[ManofTheAtom]

Shooter also gave a brand new scar to Gilad. Not possible unless something changed.

And about that scar...

Aram could grow back a new pair of legs, but Gilad still had a scar from a tree branch two millennia later?!?!?! Huh???

Did it?

The scar is not in the Post Unity comics, is it?

Does he even have it in Future Force?

It's rude to point out someone's flaws. The artists are kind. They also left out Geoff's continuous acne breakouts.

Heh

The scar left with Shooter, so... does it really count?

Let me put it another way

Did Shooter's Gilad in U2K have the scar?

[BloodOfHeroes]

The scar left with Shooter, so... does it really count?

It was really more of a self-contained "issue" rant.

[ManofTheAtom]

The scar left with Shooter, so... does it really count?

It was really more of a self-contained "issue" rant.

Definitely.

[ManofTheAtom]

Did it?

The scar is not in the Post Unity comics, is it?

Does he even have it in Future Force?

Well, "Twin Gils Mall" became "Lone Gil Mall" after UNITY...

Lol