Brett Ratner tapped for Valiant's 'Harbinger'

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:41 am

What is it that people dislike about Ratner?

The first two Rush Hour movies were awesome (I haven't seen the third one yet), Red Dragon was awesome, the pilot episode of Prison Break was awesome.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:52 am

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.ph ... 0&id=50111

ncameron · Post by **ncameron** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:58 am

ManofTheAtom wrote:What is it that people dislike about Ratner?

The first two Rush Hour movies were awesome (I haven't seen the third one yet), Red Dragon was awesome, the pilot episode of Prison Break was awesome.

The first Rush Hour film was fine, provided you had never seen the Hong Kong movies of Jackie, but Chris Tucker was fun in it. The 2nd one I only liked because of Zhang Ziyi.

Red Dragon was by far the weakest of all the Lector movies, even the one that didnt have Hopkins as Lector, Manhunter. For all the problems people had with Hannibal story, I feel Tony Scott made an entertaining movie.

My problems for X3 are not with Ratner, but Fox forcing the movie into a ridiculous production schedule to beat Superman Returns to theatres, but I still felt he was just trying to do Singer-lite but again a lot of that was a rushed production.

The disdain for Brett Ratner is mostly because he will end up being compared to a Bryan Singer, a Jonathan Demme, Tony Scott and Michael Mann. He did the weakest of the Xmen movies, the weakest of the Lector trilogy, and Rush Hour has become a trilogy of movies in which Jackie Chan can't understand Chris Tucker, Jackie Chan kicks bad guys, Chris Tucker makes jokes and screams.

My opinion is that, Ratner is competent as a director but doesnt have a singular flair for visuals that other directors have like a Del Toro, Nolan, or a Donner who have made comic book movies. But he is an A-list name director, who can pull a budget together and if he can get a 75-100+ budget for Harbinger, well how can I dislike it.

I mean he's not Stephen Norrington, who made Blade campy and turned the League of Extrodinary Gentlemen into the League of Excrement, so thats a positive.

-Neil

ncameron · Post by **ncameron** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:01 am

siren3-4 wrote:
cinlach@aol.com wrote: as long as the soul of valiant survives, and harada or sting don't yell "i'm an omega harbinger b!tch!" then everything should be ok.
. . uh oh . . .

<edits first draft of script>

How about . . . (Harada yelling) THIS . . . IS . . . HARBINGER !!!

"Now, when Harbingers get to fighting, it happens here! And it finishes here! Two Harbingers enter; one Harbinger leaves!"

oh its on aint it cool news http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35955
-neil

Heath · Post by **Heath** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:18 am

ManofTheAtom wrote:What is it that people dislike about Ratner?

The first two Rush Hour movies were awesome (I haven't seen the third one yet), Red Dragon was awesome, the pilot episode of Prison Break was awesome.

It is a better choice than, say, Michael Bay. But I could think of many better choices.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:25 am

Heath wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:What is it that people dislike about Ratner?

The first two Rush Hour movies were awesome (I haven't seen the third one yet), Red Dragon was awesome, the pilot episode of Prison Break was awesome.
It is a better choice than, say, Michael Bay. But I could think of many better choices.

What is it that people dislike about Bay?

Bad Boys and Transformers were great.

Bay should do the X-O Manowar movie.

Dr. Solar · Post by **Dr. Solar** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:34 am

YES.

I like reading this news.

dino wrote:[Valiant's] plan is to republish its best titles and begin generating new issues by year's end. Valiant signed with WMA to make movie deals for the franchises.

Hmmm...!

iggy101us · Post by **iggy101us** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:36 am

Great news

Heath · Post by **Heath** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:51 am

ManofTheAtom wrote:
Heath wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:What is it that people dislike about Ratner?

The first two Rush Hour movies were awesome (I haven't seen the third one yet), Red Dragon was awesome, the pilot episode of Prison Break was awesome.
It is a better choice than, say, Michael Bay. But I could think of many better choices.
What is it that people dislike about Bay?

Bad Boys and Transformers were great.

Bay should do the X-O Manowar movie.

Bay is all style and no substance. He understands explosions and helicopters in front of a setting sun, but he doesn't understand character development and story telling. He's the Rob Liefeld of the movie industry. I didn't see Bad Boys, but Transformers was a mess of pointless characters and chaotic action sequences. But the effects were nice and the explosions were big.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:55 am

Heath wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Heath wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:What is it that people dislike about Ratner?

The first two Rush Hour movies were awesome (I haven't seen the third one yet), Red Dragon was awesome, the pilot episode of Prison Break was awesome.
It is a better choice than, say, Michael Bay. But I could think of many better choices.
What is it that people dislike about Bay?

Bad Boys and Transformers were great.

Bay should do the X-O Manowar movie.
Bay is all style and no substance. He understands explosions and helicopters in front of a setting sun, but he doesn't understand character development and story telling. He's the Rob Liefeld of the movie industry. I didn't see Bad Boys, but Transformers was a mess of pointless characters and chaotic action sequences. But the effects were nice and the explosions were big.

I wouldn't mind having a 150-million X-O Manowar blockbuster movie without character development that made as much money as Transformers if it helps having an ongoing comic book series filled with character development.

wallywest · Post by **wallywest** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:58 am

Heath · Post by **Heath** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:15 am

ManofTheAtom wrote:
Heath wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Heath wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:What is it that people dislike about Ratner?

The first two Rush Hour movies were awesome (I haven't seen the third one yet), Red Dragon was awesome, the pilot episode of Prison Break was awesome.
It is a better choice than, say, Michael Bay. But I could think of many better choices.
What is it that people dislike about Bay?

Bad Boys and Transformers were great.

Bay should do the X-O Manowar movie.
Bay is all style and no substance. He understands explosions and helicopters in front of a setting sun, but he doesn't understand character development and story telling. He's the Rob Liefeld of the movie industry. I didn't see Bad Boys, but Transformers was a mess of pointless characters and chaotic action sequences. But the effects were nice and the explosions were big.
I wouldn't mind having a 150-million X-O Manowar blockbuster movie without character development that made as much money as Transformers if it helps having an ongoing comic book series filled with character development.

Did sales of the Transformers comic books go up because of the movie? I don't know, but I doubt it.

There are two Valiant legacies that could be followed. The Shooter era of putting out the best product, even if it wasn't the slickest produced. Best writing, realistic characters with depth and motives and passions and meaning. Or there's the post-Shooter era of big name flashy artists making something that looks good but is so poorly written that it is almost unreadable. Inconsistent characterization, no realism, no depth, and no meaning. If you want a movie that follows the latter tradition (which led to the company's demise by the way), hire Michael Bay.

If a movie is going to be made, I'd rather it be a good one sticking to the early Valiant principals than just another Hollywood excuse to blow something up.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:18 am

Did sales of the Transformers comic books go up because of the movie? I don't know, but I doubt it.

That's not what I meant.

How the movies does in the box office doesn't necessarily have to reflect the sales on the comics, but if it does well, the money that VEI makes off it can be used to produce the comics.

There are two Valiant legacies that could be followed. The Shooter era of putting out the best product, even if it wasn't the slickest produced. Best writing, realistic characters with depth and motives and passions and meaning. Or there's the post-Shooter era of big name flashy artists making something that looks good but is so poorly written that it is almost unreadable. Inconsistent characterization, no realism, no depth, and no meaning. If you want a movie that follows the latter tradition (which led to the company's demise by the way), hire Michael Bay.

If a movie is going to be made, I'd rather it be a good one sticking to the early Valiant principals than just another Hollywood excuse to blow something up.

Ideally, yes, but for the good of the overall property, in order for it to be successfull across multiple media, it has to be adapted accordingly.

mrwoogieman · Post by **mrwoogieman** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:31 am

That's just too cool! I'll give Ratner's Harbinger a chance, no doubt.

IMJ · Post by **IMJ** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:32 am

This is fantastic news!

eternalfan · Post by **eternalfan** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:50 am

New comics by the end of the year!!! Quick splash some water on my face!!

Heath · Post by **Heath** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:53 am

ManofTheAtom wrote:Ideally, yes, but for the good of the overall property, in order for it to be successfull across multiple media, it has to be adapted accordingly.

You just want DC-lite.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:57 am

Heath wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:Ideally, yes, but for the good of the overall property, in order for it to be successfull across multiple media, it has to be adapted accordingly.
You just want DC-lite.

Nope, I want a successful movie and a successful comic.

They don't necessarily have to be reflective of each other.

In Batman the Joker killed the Waynes. It doesn't mean it had to be like that in the comics.

In Spider-Man the burglar killed Uncle Ben while stealing his car. It doesn't mean it had to be like that in the comics.

In the comics the Ninja Turtles were grim and gritty. In the successful cartoon they liked pizza and to say Cowabunga a lot.

Just because an X-O Manowar movie directed by Michael Bay might end up having more action that character development it doesn't mean that the comics have to be the same.

The mistake Nicieza made was to think that the properties had to be the same across all media, carbon copies instead of unique to each medium, and that's why he failed.

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:11 am

schi0249 · Post by **schi0249** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:27 am

I'm excited to see Valiant finally restarted. Though I am not a huge Ratner fan, I feel he does a competent job w/ movies. There are much worse choices. Imagine if Uwe Bowl was named the director? Guaranteed trash then.

dino · Post by **dino** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:47 am

StarBrand wrote:
dino wrote:Hey guys. This is an important step for Valiant! Please help spread the news and post a comment if you see it posted on other sites.

EDIT: The news is up at the following links. Would be great if you guys could make some posts in the talk backs

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6908
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=42823
http://www.variety.com/article/VR111798 ... id=13&cs=1
http://www.beyondhollywood.com/brett-ra ... ger-movie/
http://joblo.com/ratner-turns-valiant
I'm doing some posting now...

Just spotted some of your posts...big thanks!

StarBrand · Post by **StarBrand** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:55 am

dino wrote:
StarBrand wrote:
dino wrote:Hey guys. This is an important step for Valiant! Please help spread the news and post a comment if you see it posted on other sites.

EDIT: The news is up at the following links. Would be great if you guys could make some posts in the talk backs

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6908
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=42823
http://www.variety.com/article/VR111798 ... id=13&cs=1
http://www.beyondhollywood.com/brett-ra ... ger-movie/
http://joblo.com/ratner-turns-valiant
I'm doing some posting now...
Just spotted some of your posts...big thanks!

You're welcome. I'm surprised other Valiant fans haven't taken time yet to make a few posts on these talk backs.
By the way, I literally couldn't sleep after the movie news and reading about the potential plans for ongoing titles by year's end.

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:58 am

ManofTheAtom wrote:
Heath wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:What is it that people dislike about Ratner?

The first two Rush Hour movies were awesome (I haven't seen the third one yet), Red Dragon was awesome, the pilot episode of Prison Break was awesome.
It is a better choice than, say, Michael Bay. But I could think of many better choices.
What is it that people dislike about Bay?

Bad Boys and Transformers were great.

Bay should do the X-O Manowar movie.

NO, MOTA. ABSOULUTELY NOT! Ok, I'll stop screaming and explain WHY THAT IS A BAD IDEA. Ok, now I really will stop. XO needs someone with a real sense of purpose, not just "blowing-stuff-up-real-good". If you want an XO movie that will be akin to everything from Birthquake onwards, please, go ahead and welcome Bay. I'd get someone like Del Torro or Cuaron. Heck, even Spielberg might be able to do a good job. The Indy Jones films were always fun. I agree, Transformers was fun and Bad Boys had cute moments but this does not qualify him to direct the story of Aric Of Dacia. No sir, it does not.

Rubiks-Q-Bert · Post by **Rubiks-Q-Bert** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:07 pm

Hope when it comes out it's really good. Alot of critics around here. Alot of hype to live up to. As hardcore fans I think some of us (not I) are best suited to be the critics when it comes out. Do we get a special screening? lol

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:09 pm

Rubiks-Q-Bert wrote:Hope when it comes out it's really good. Alot of critics around here. Alot of hype to live up to. As hardcore fans I think some of us (not I) are best suited to be the critics when it comes out. Do we get a special screening? lol

That would be really cool, specially if done at a comic convention before the movie is released.

Just include free passes to the con and free airline tickets in the package, heh.

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Brett Ratner tapped for Valiant's 'Harbinger'

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