Bloodshot 0 Platinum question...

chainnball · Post by **chainnball** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:28 pm

I opened the pink pre slabbing and have opened a plat. Both were normal inside. The pink did come out of a sealed case that also had a plat in it.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:49 pm

Mythbuster!!!!

But it adds some data to our conversation!

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:01 pm

Mike J · Post by **Mike J** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:41 pm

chainnball wrote:I opened the pink pre slabbing and have opened a plat. Both were normal inside. The pink did come out of a sealed case that also had a plat in it.

thus from a 10 to a 9.8, bummer

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:01 am

IanAlexavier wrote: Also, werent most of these platinum books located in a particular area of the country? If this is correct then this means that they could have been send out from the same box.

Supposedly, they were all located in the Midwest. I found a copy in FL though (FL stored initially ordered the books).

I doubt highly that they all went out in the same box or in just a few boxes. Seems like they were scattered, probably intentionally.

Heath · Post by **Heath** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:10 am

I'm still not convinced there was anything intentional about the platinum - production or distribution. During mass production runs like this, errors happen. You get action figures on the wrong cards. I've seen upside down beer cans. In comics, you also have double covers, pages out of order, etc. Production errors occur and no matter how hard they try to keep it from happening, a few error items always slip through. That's the story behind the Bloodshot #0 platinum. The gold ink didn't get applied to a few copies. It's as simple as that.

The pink, on the other hand, is puzzling. I lean toward error there two, but the "how" part isn't very easy to explain.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:22 am

So.. who was the printer and where is the work order!!

It is an interesting discussion. I wonder if the company that printed the books keeps this sort of data on hand. Since gold logo books arent THAT common, I wonder if the person who took care of the order remembers the details.

SmokinAFuente · Post by **SmokinAFuente** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:20 pm

400yrs wrote:
IanAlexavier wrote: Also, werent most of these platinum books located in a particular area of the country? If this is correct then this means that they could have been send out from the same box.
Supposedly, they were all located in the Midwest. I found a copy in FL though (FL stored initially ordered the books).

I doubt highly that they all went out in the same box or in just a few boxes. Seems like they were scattered, probably intentionally.

I bought mine off the shelf in a PA store. The shop owner looked at it, couldn't find the price so he picked up a reg. 0 to look at that price and still gave me my 20% discount. I did asked if it was a variant or some thing (didn't want to rip him off if it was an over site) and he said "who has time to keet up with all the variant covers thees days". Oddly enough he didn't stay in business long. LOL

Rufusharley · Post by **Rufusharley** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:20 pm

SmokinAFuente wrote:
400yrs wrote:
IanAlexavier wrote: Also, werent most of these platinum books located in a particular area of the country? If this is correct then this means that they could have been send out from the same box.
Supposedly, they were all located in the Midwest. I found a copy in FL though (FL stored initially ordered the books).

I doubt highly that they all went out in the same box or in just a few boxes. Seems like they were scattered, probably intentionally.

I bought mine off the shelf in a PA store. The shop owner looked at it, couldn't find the price so he picked up a reg. 0 to look at that price and still gave me my 20% discount. I did asked if it was a variant or some thing (didn't want to rip him off if it was an over site) and he said "who has time to keet up with all the variant covers thees days". Oddly enough he didn't stay in business long. LOL

Nice story.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:52 pm

Very cool story... so you picked it up because it looked like a variant?

Neat!

Easy way to pick up a 1K book

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:59 pm

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worldsbestcomics · Post by **worldsbestcomics** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:54 pm

The story about the Bloodshot 0 platinum back in the day was that it was a prototype run to prove the process for creating an all-foil cover since Bloodshot 0 was the first all-foil cover. That explanation supposedly came from Valiant.

worldsbestcomics · Post by **worldsbestcomics** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:03 pm

The story on the Bloodshot 0 pink may never be known. ZWH has laid out several reasonable arguments for why he thinks it was intentionally made, possibly as a one-and-only like some coins.

I think the Bloodshot pink was an error. I have a nearly-identical copy of X-O 0 gold where the gold price box is yellow instead of pink like the Bloodshot 0. I wouldn't call my X-O 0 gold variant proof for my point of view on the Bloodshot 0 gold variant but after examining the X-O 0 in person, I think it was the result of a manufacturing defect.

It is certainly possible that the same person who intentionally created the Bloodshot 0 pink created my X-O 0 yellow. But, in addition to my personal study of the X-O 0 and personal ownership of many many manufacturing error comics, I have two other reasons for thinking these books were errors rather than intentional.

First, when single copy coins were intentioanlly made, their manufacture, and the intent, was documented. There is nothing like that in the case of these comics.

Second, the coin manufacture process, particularly in the 1800s was suited for making one copy at a time. But comics are printed in sheets and cut into individual books and the process is automated. However, it is possible that a different process is used to manufacture chome covers and I have never spoken with anyone familiar with the chrome cover comic production process.

Rufusharley · Post by **Rufusharley** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:23 pm

Even on a Gold issue we're talking of thousands of copies. I think the occurrence of an error is greater than a 'done on purpose' book. Maybe both happened, but my money is on it being unintentional. And i'm also thinking that 'sheets' of any particular cover were produced at a time. (Even during a test batch.) Then cut into singular issues. I hope more of the Pink exist.

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:55 am

lots of good stuff here about what could have happened

hellboydce · Post by **hellboydce** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:05 am

sorry for being a johnny come lately but i have a platinum bloodshot zero in my complete run of Bloodshot, are they rare or was the high selling one just a variant? i collected pretty much every valiant title back in the day but i never bothered with variant covers

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:57 am

Actually that book is worthless and seen as an abomination.. send it to me so I can destroy it in such a way that the demons that exist in its cover will NEVER attempt to over take your soul again. An indication that this is ALREADY happening is that you will begin to believe that the words you read at this site will say that this is a very sought after book.. dont beleive it!! Again, I say, DONT BELIEVE IT!! Send me the book quickly and it shall be destroyed!!... or put into a safe place... hmm, yes, maybe a container of some kind... an invisible, clear container...with warnings to others... of what condition this MONSTER is in.. yes,... to hold it and contain it forever..

JustCallMeAric · Post by **JustCallMeAric** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:41 am

IanAlexavier wrote:

Actually that book is worthless and seen as an abomination.. send it to me so I can destroy it in such a way that the demons that exist in its cover will NEVER attempt to over take your soul again. An indication that this is ALREADY happening is that you will begin to believe that the words you read at this site will say that this is a very sought after book.. dont beleive it!! Again, I say, DONT BELIEVE IT!! Send me the book quickly and it shall be destroyed!!... or put into a safe place... hmm, yes, maybe a container of some kind... an invisible, clear container...with warnings to others... of what condition this MONSTER is in.. yes,... to hold it and contain it forever..

Don't listen to him I am much better at Exorcisms send it here

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:13 am

hellboydce wrote:sorry for being a johnny come lately but i have a platinum bloodshot zero in my complete run of Bloodshot, are they rare or was the high selling one just a variant? i collected pretty much every valiant title back in the day but i never bothered with variant covers

This should give you some idea of how valuable it is.

Rufusharley · Post by **Rufusharley** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:58 am

hellboydce wrote:sorry for being a johnny come lately but i have a platinum bloodshot zero in my complete run of Bloodshot, are they rare or was the high selling one just a variant? i collected pretty much every valiant title back in the day but i never bothered with variant covers

well the 'platinum' is a variant. make sure the one you got isn't just the regular version.

worldsbestcomics · Post by **worldsbestcomics** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:58 pm

Rufusharley wrote:
hellboydce wrote:sorry for being a johnny come lately but i have a platinum bloodshot zero in my complete run of Bloodshot, are they rare or was the high selling one just a variant? i collected pretty much every valiant title back in the day but i never bothered with variant covers
well the 'platinum' is a variant. make sure the one you got isn't just the regular version.

I sent him a PM on how to tell the platinum from the regular. You don't see it as much now but there used to be a couple eBay auctions every year where someone would be selling the regular version as the platinum variant.

Mike J · Post by **Mike J** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 1:35 pm

An yet we still all wait for the day someone makes the misake vica-versa

hellboydce · Post by **hellboydce** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 1:51 pm

worldsbestcomics wrote:
Rufusharley wrote:
hellboydce wrote:sorry for being a johnny come lately but i have a platinum bloodshot zero in my complete run of Bloodshot, are they rare or was the high selling one just a variant? i collected pretty much every valiant title back in the day but i never bothered with variant covers
well the 'platinum' is a variant. make sure the one you got isn't just the regular version.
I sent him a PM on how to tell the platinum from the regular. You don't see it as much now but there used to be a couple eBay auctions every year where someone would be selling the regular version as the platinum variant.

thanks for that, seems like i only have the regular platinum one (with the price on the cover) that is the problem i have with these Valiant comics i have, i can't be bothered to find out how much they are worth as i have so many 0 issues and foil covers

Rufusharley · Post by **Rufusharley** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:13 pm

hellboydce wrote:
worldsbestcomics wrote:
Rufusharley wrote:
hellboydce wrote:sorry for being a johnny come lately but i have a platinum bloodshot zero in my complete run of Bloodshot, are they rare or was the high selling one just a variant? i collected pretty much every valiant title back in the day but i never bothered with variant covers
well the 'platinum' is a variant. make sure the one you got isn't just the regular version.
I sent him a PM on how to tell the platinum from the regular. You don't see it as much now but there used to be a couple eBay auctions every year where someone would be selling the regular version as the platinum variant.
thanks for that, seems like i only have the regular platinum one (with the price on the cover) that is the problem i have with these Valiant comics i have, i can't be bothered to find out how much they are worth as i have so many 0 issues and foil covers

I was rooting for ya. Would that have been the first plat. across the pond?

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:56 pm

worldsbestcomics wrote:The story on the Bloodshot 0 pink may never be known. ZWH has laid out several reasonable arguments for why he thinks it was intentionally made, possibly as a one-and-only like some coins.

That is not precisely what I said....

(Sorry to spoil the party. I promise I won't stay long. Have to do a smidge of record straightening.)

I think the Bloodshot pink was an error. I have a nearly-identical copy of X-O 0 gold where the gold price box is yellow instead of pink like the Bloodshot 0. I wouldn't call my X-O 0 gold variant proof for my point of view on the Bloodshot 0 gold variant but after examining the X-O 0 in person, I think it was the result of a manufacturing defect.

It is certainly possible that the same person who intentionally created the Bloodshot 0 pink created my X-O 0 yellow. But, in addition to my personal study of the X-O 0 and personal ownership of many many manufacturing error comics, I have two other reasons for thinking these books were errors rather than intentional.

First, when single copy coins were intentioanlly made, their manufacture, and the intent, was documented.

This is emphatically untrue, on several levels. Not only were "single copy coins" never made OFFICIALLY, those that exist as "unique" weren't documented in any way. What we know, we know from intensive study and "filling in the blanks" with the most plausible theories. In other words, a lot of very educated guesses....but guesses nonetheless. Mint documentation before the 20th century was sketchy at best, and practically non-existent before 1850.

As well, there is no official US coin in existence for which one....and only one...was struck. None of the four examples I gave, with the possible exception of the 1851-O (which, again, was made illegally and surreptitiously), was only "one of" struck, because that's not how the mint operated.

There are a tiny handful of examples of "one and only struck" that exist, but these were made illegally.

My arguments and examples of "one extant" had nothing to do with intention, method, and manufacture...they were merely to illustrate that "one existing" is not an argument for automatic "error" status, as others suggested.

Simply put: just because there's ONE, that doesn't mean it's an error. In fact...that argues even MORE for it to be INTENTIONAL. Errors on high speed presses get repeated over and over and over again before they are caught.

There is nothing like that in the case of these comics.

Second, the coin manufacture process, particularly in the 1800s was suited for making one copy at a time.

This is not true. The early mint had neither the time nor the resources to waste on "one only" productions. Die steel was very expensive and scarce, and the engraving process was far too long and expensive to waste just to make "one example." As has been demonstrated many times in the history of US coinage, dies would be used until they quite literally fell apart, year after year.

By the 1850's, when the Mint DID have the resources, they didn't waste time making patterns (which are not "coins") in ones. Patterns were made to approve design changes. They were made to hand out to people, usually Congress and other government officials, to approve changes. If any exist as ones NOW, it's because the rest of them (like the 1849 $20) were MELTED or LOST.

But comics are printed in sheets and cut into individual books and the process is automated. However, it is possible that a different process is used to manufacture chome covers and I have never spoken with anyone familiar with the chrome cover comic production process.

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:There's a difference between a printing error and a test.

Again: Bloodshot Pink CANNOT have been an error; there are farrrr too many details that make that impossible.

Someone....at some point....put conscious thought into making this. Whether it was done for a reason, or done for fun, it was done with intention.

(Sorry to post, but this misinformation was a bit too egregious for my comfort. Nothing personal.)