Time to Grade.

whetteon · Post by **whetteon** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 2:00 pm

I'm getting ready to send in some variation of approximately 8 Bronze Age books and 6 modern books. I assume that its $16 per modern book (20 day turn around time using modern) and $29 per Bronze Age book (just shy of 4 months at economy)? Is this correct? Their little charts get all confusing. I'm submitting them through metropolis so I should get a 20% discount but eh...”

mrwoogieman · Post by **mrwoogieman** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 2:43 pm

You get an extra $1 off per modern book if you submit 10 or more at once. With the 20% off too, that brings the $16 per book down to $12 per.

mrwoogieman · Post by **mrwoogieman** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 2:45 pm

Oh, and about half of the bronze age can be submitted under the modern tier, the cut off is anything published (by the indicia date) after 1/1/75 is a modern book.

gowaltrip · Post by **gowaltrip** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 3:02 pm

Im wondering how it is that dealers get a special break from CGC? Im sure its volume, Im sure the more you buy the more special the deal is for the dealers (like anything else in this world), but what massive amount of Submissions are we talking about before CGC offers a business a massive break?

The reason I ask, I was given a CGC membership for xmas. I would have never bought it on my own, thats a big luxury for me, but since my girl did it, why not? But being I cannot send massive amounts of Submissions in (due to staggering grading costs), it seems to me that CGC has different tier levels of membership (which so far to me, I havent seen advertised). Like Chump entry level membership vs. We'll bend over backwards to give you a better deal membership. Where is that magic dividing line where CGC gives better deals?

Escaflown4 · Post by **Escaflown4** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 3:36 pm

mrwoogieman wrote:You get an extra $1 off per modern book if you submit 10 or more at once. With the 20% off too, that brings the $16 per book down to $12 per.

Just curious, does it matter which dealer you go through for the 20% off? For example what's the difference if I choose either Heritage or Metropolis?

whetteon · Post by **whetteon** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 3:51 pm

Escaflown4 wrote:
mrwoogieman wrote:You get an extra $1 off per modern book if you submit 10 or more at once. With the 20% off too, that brings the $16 per book down to $12 per.
Just curious, does it matter which dealer you go through for the 20% off? For example what's the difference if I choose either Heritage or Metropolis?

I was unaware of a differance between dealers you submit through.

whetteon · Post by **whetteon** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 3:55 pm

mrwoogieman wrote:You get an extra $1 off per modern book if you submit 10 or more at once. With the 20% off too, that brings the $16 per book down to $12 per.

Looks like I need to be very selective. $120 for 10 "modern" books would be alot better then $160 (obviously). I looked and the cut-off date was indeed what you posted, 1975. Should allow me to get at least 10 modern books

Shipping was explained as well package books and THREE copies of the submission sheet.

Wtf!

gowaltrip · Post by **gowaltrip** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 4:17 pm

whetteon wrote: Shipping was explained as well package books and THREE copies of the submission sheet. Wtf!

The sheet is layed with all three copies. Like a carbon thing that transfers to each copy as you write it out. 1 form with 3 copies in the 1 form.

greg · Post by **greg** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 4:33 pm

It does matter which "referral link" you use...
Different dealers give different discounts... and some none at all.

If you don't care who you use, and you want the full 20% off, use this one:
http://www.cgccomics.com/index_cobrand. ... filiate=GP

That's GPAnalysis, which is a company that compiles sales info for CGC graded books.
It doesn't really matter if you've never heard of them though,
because you get the 20% off without doing anything special... just use the link.

A CGC membership is good for a couple (maybe 3) free Express submissions...
(though they're not really free if you paid for the membership)
but it doesn't entitle you to a discount on your submissions.
You might as well ignore the "membership" and just use a 20% discount link.

Note: those 3 free submissions from the membership are EXPRESS submissions
which normally cost $79 each and cover ANY comic book of any age up
to a value of $4,000.
You probably don't want to "waste" an Express Submission on a modern book
when you could have any modern graded (with 20% discount) for about $12.

mrwoogieman · Post by **mrwoogieman** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 4:55 pm

CGC says there is no special break for large submitters. The "Charter Members" are the dealers who signed up with CGC long ago. Their break for being a submission point for CGC is a 20% discount on all of their submissions, which they can choose to pass along to their customers, or not, at their discretion.

So, the one's I've seen pass along the full 20% and others (I guess, although I don't know any off-hand) give less than the full 20% off or none at all.

The larger submitters WILL use pre-screen, which is an economical way to avoid slabbing books below your cut-off grade, so that helps.

whetteon · Post by **whetteon** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:51 pm

Books shipped today.

Six modern and 3 standard. They were:

Amazing Spidey #194
Ms. Marvel #16
Marvel Team-Up #53
Solar #1
Iron Fist #15
Daredevil #132

all in 9.2 or higher although I'm sure one could end up being a red-headed step child.

Standards:

Marvel Premiere 1
Marvel Premiere 15
Special Marvel Edition 15

hopefully in 9.0 or better but we will see how they grade 1974 and earliery books. I really have nothing to judge it against.

Resale value, $300. Price to submit, $200

In the tiny print it said something about bending over and taking it like a man?

I also put one check inside the box to pay them with but it occured to me that they might of wanted 2 different checks.

Escaflown4 · Post by **Escaflown4** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:25 pm

whetteon wrote:Books shipped today.

Six modern and 3 standard. They were:

Amazing Spidey #194
Ms. Marvel #16
Marvel Team-Up #53
Solar #1
Iron Fist #15
Daredevil #132

all in 9.2 or higher although I'm sure one could end up being a red-headed step child.

Standards:

Marvel Premiere 1
Marvel Premiere 15
Special Marvel Edition 15

hopefully in 9.0 or better but we will see how they grade 1974 and earliery books. I really have nothing to judge it against.

Resale value, $300. Price to submit, $200 In the tiny print it said something about bending over and taking it like a man? I also put one check inside the box to pay them with but it occured to me that they might of wanted 2 different checks.

Nice selection of books. I also got a Spidey #194, Solar 1 and a bunch of others being graded by CGC right now. So what are your predictions for each book?

whetteon · Post by **whetteon** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 4:55 pm

Escaflown4 wrote: Nice selection of books. I also got a Spidey #194, Solar 1 and a bunch of others being graded by CGC right now. So what are your predictions for each book?

Amazing Spidey #194 - 9.4
Ms. Marvel #16 - 9.2 (was sold nm from metropolis but had a wave to the pages in one spot. possible water damage or poor storage. guess we will see. Nothing a little pressing wont cure [that's right, I went there!]).
Marvel Team-Up #53 - 9.4
Solar #1 9.6 or dear I say, 9.8

(from arch's collection)
Iron Fist #15 - 9.6

Daredevil #132 - 9.2

Harder to tell with these because I have nothing to compare with and all three have really black covers. But there are no spine creases on either. The usual marks and such however and being black they show up without trying.

Marvel Premiere 1 -9.0 maybe 9.2

Marvel Premiere 15 -9.0 and even possibly 8.5
Special Marvel Edition 15 9.0 maybe 9.2

I held back an Iron Man #1 in 7.5 and Green Lantern #76 in 8.0 because I wasn't sure what they would get and because it was already $200 smackaroos.

Let's see if I eat my words.

Question..The modern books should come back seperately in a month while the bronze age books will take 4 months right? Or do they ship the whole thing as one package and require you to wait 4 months (give or take a year)

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:19 pm

Speaking of being time to grade...I'm really quite excited about Wizard World Long Beach next month....as it gets closer, I'll post a list (if anyone cares) of what I'm taking to have graded....I haven't had anything graded by CGC since the Fall of '03, so I'm looking forward to it...PLUS...I don't know how the face to face interaction is with CGC, and maybe something can come of it...I really don't know what to expect, so I'm a little anticipatory, but also pretty excited.

So...if anyone's interested, I'll post what I've got, what grades I think they'll get, and mebbe we can make some side bets, too.

Off the top of my head, I have:

Daredevil #8 Est Grade: 9.0
Conan #4 9.2
Conan #5 9.2
Conan #6 9.2
Conan #7 9.4
X-Men #94 7.0 (I *think* I haven't looked in a coupla months)
Tick #2 Uncut 9.2 (it's kinda dingd, but heck...it's the variant!)
Unity Plats and Golds 9.8, mebbe a 9.9
Fantastic Four #319 9.8
X-Men #112 9.4
X-Men # 129 9.4
X-Men #113 9.4
Turtles #1 (1st) 9.0-9.2 (not sure how they're doing mags)
Cerebus #1 6.0

That's off the top of my head....I'll rummage around as it gets closer and see what I've got.

I'm stoked. Yay!

I just hope my bill isn't $3000.

Escaflown4 · Post by **Escaflown4** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:48 pm

whetteon wrote:

Ms. Marvel #16 - 9.2 (was sold nm from metropolis but had a wave to the pages in one spot. possible water damage or poor storage. guess we will see. Nothing a little pressing wont cure [that's right, I went there!]).

Question..The modern books should come back seperately in a month while the bronze age books will take 4 months right? Or do they ship the whole thing as one package and require you to wait 4 months (give or take a year)

How much did Metropolis charge you for that book? Interesting thing is Metropolis is not far from my house, yet all this time, I never thought about going to the store. Maybe I should pay them a visit this weekend or something and possible help you deal some retribution for the overgraded book.

Did you also get a copy of Ms Marvel #18 from them?

whetteon · Post by **whetteon** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:09 pm

What I thought...

Amazing Spidey #194 - 9.4
Ms. Marvel #16 - 9.2 (was sold nm from metropolis but had a wave to the pages in one spot. possible water damage or poor storage. guess we will see. Nothing a little pressing wont cure [that's right, I went there!]).
Marvel Team-Up #53 - 9.4
Solar #1 9.6 or dear I say, 9.8 Surprised (from arch's collection)
Iron Fist #15 - 9.6 Hope
Daredevil #132 - 9.2

What they were. schooled

Amazing Spidey #194 - 9.0
Ms. Marvel #16 - 9.2
Marvel Team-Up #53 - 9.6
Solar #1 9.8
Iron Fist #15 - 8.0
Daredevil #132 - 8.5

No lub for the last two. Although I want everyone to know that Arch's best comic was indeed the best in the business! So when he says he will trade you the "best" from his collection for your books, you better believe it!

Peter Parker · Post by **Peter Parker** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 7:05 pm

Whett....
that MTU#53 is sweet dude

i'd be quite happy about that one. However, geeze, what happened with that Iron Fist#15? talk about a major difference in perceptions?

mrwoogieman · Post by **mrwoogieman** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 7:24 pm

I think you should call CGC for the graders notes on that IF15. Must be something you overlooked like a stain on the back cover or something structural inside. Too much of a discrepancy to be poor grading on your part. The rest of it doesn't look too too bad, I'd say a good first attempt overall (if it was your first attempt), you hit or were within one on a couple, AND you got yourself a 9.8 when you weren't expecting one.

myron · Post by **myron** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 11:08 am

nice job Whetteon!

whetteon · Post by **whetteon** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:28 pm

Yeah, that Solar #1 was awesome news. Even the cgc representative on the phone was rather excited by it. Just goes to show how professional Arch is when it comes to grading and distributing his lewts to the other fans

The Amazing Spidey wasn't too bad other then I hoped for an nm but it's understandable with a mostly black cover. It probably suffered the same faults that a Solar #10 would suffer and I'm willing to keep it in my collection for now.

The Iron Fist was a slap in the face because when I first received the book I was overly surprised by its quality. I agree that something inside the book must have brought this bad boy down to a humiliating 8.0.

First time going cgc so I think the learning experience was worth something plus I still have three older books that I won't get back for another 3 months. I was unsure how cgc graded old 70 books and now I know that they grade them just as harsh as valiant books. So instead of looking for awesome looking books, I should be looking for perfect condition books

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:43 pm

whetteon wrote:The Iron Fist was a slapp in the face because when I first recieved the book I was overly suprised by it's quality. I agree, something inside the book must of brought this bad boy down to a humiliating 8.0.

Perhaps a pubic hair was involved?

Peter Parker · Post by **Peter Parker** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 1:01 pm

Reminds me of a story...

In one of my CGC submissions I sent in a GORGEOUS, perfect looking copy of ASM#129, I thought it was an easy NM 9.4 copy.

I get the book back some two months later (this was back in 2001) close my eyes before I open them to see the grade, and...presto

a CGC 6.5

WHAT!!!!!

I immediately crack open the slab to do an investigation, especially given the slab notes read "water stain through out entire book" :x Never saw it, never noticed. I saw it once cracked open, but to this day I don't know if that stain was there when submitted

I really don't...i'm fairly anal when analyzing my books prior to submitting, and truly think I would have seen this, but oh well.

Talk about a MAJOR let down, don't feel so bad Whett

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 5:07 pm

It's pretty tought to miss a water stain usually. Maybe one of the newbies there used it as a coaster

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