Characters coming back to life!

[Todd Luck]

Same here. It just seemed like they wanted to take the books in such a dark direction with stories like Cat Grant's son being murdered by the Toyman - not what I want when I read a Superman book. Add in the sheer number of the books that've come out since I dropped out and I strongly doubt I'll be trying to catch up. Shame, really. I'd had a complete run from the relaunch up to that point. Oh, well...

David B.

Exact same thing here. It's amazing how over 6 years of work can be reduced to crap in just a few months.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

Did anyone hear that a "major" X-Men character will die in Wolverine #25, which will be released next month! Can anyone guess who would that be?

So. Anyone bite it?

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

And of course, Northstar was back by the end of the next issue . . .

I'm telling you, EVERY THREAD goes gay!

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

I always wondered how that one worked! Sometimes you have to bring a character back when all your fans won't stop telling what a dumb @$$ you were for offing them in the first place.

I disagree.

I loved Superstar (from the H.A.R.D. Corps). He had a *very* intriguing hook to his character, a lot of depth, and had started down a unique twist in comics for a character with his abilities.

Then *BAM*! Dead. Never coming back.

Guess what? That made his death more poignant. There's a consequence for his actions. "Without the threat of death there's no reason to live at all."

And if you're referencing Green Lantern (which I believe you are), I have to ask... where were all those fans when the book was struggling? That must have been a tightly packed closet, because they certainly weren't going out to buy the book, no matter how well thought out and dramatic the stories had been. I feel that only those who were purchasing the book (like myself) have the right to *SKREE* about the book's direction.

And for those who claim that Hal Jordan's actions were out of character, I direct them to:

Green Lantern #178 - Hal threatens the Guardians with death "should anything ever happen to Coast City" while he was on a mission for them.

Or how about Green Lantern #181-183, where he quit the Corps because he disliked how the Guardians ran things?

And so on... I have abotu a half a dozen references (but only 2 issue numbers handy to my memory, sadly) of Hal intimating as far back as the early 70's that there would be severe consequences should Coast City fall in his absence.

Guess what? That's exactly what happened.

Wait. Hal Jordan's dead.....?

[Byrneout]

Wait. Hal Jordan's dead.....?

WAS dead. Ergo, my rant.

But yes, Hal died a little less over three years after Superman.

[Technique]

Wait. Hal Jordan's dead.....?

WAS dead. Ergo, my rant.

But yes, Hal died a little less over three years after Superman.

I thought that Hal came back as the Spectre. Is he now coming back to "full" life and wanting his ring back? If so then that's dumb.

[whetteon]

Wait. Hal Jordan's dead.....?

WAS dead. Ergo, my rant.

But yes, Hal died a little less over three years after Superman.

I thought that Hal came back as the Spectre. Is he now coming back to "full" life and wanting his ring back? If so then that's dumb.

He back to "full" life

[Todd Luck]

Wait. Hal Jordan's dead.....?

WAS dead. Ergo, my rant.

But yes, Hal died a little less over three years after Superman.

I thought that Hal came back as the Spectre. Is he now coming back to "full" life and wanting his ring back? If so then that's dumb.

He back to "full" life

But he's not wanting his old ring back, though. He already has it back and is in a new Green Latern series that comes out very soon if the first issue isn't out already.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

Wait. Hal Jordan's dead.....?

WAS dead. Ergo, my rant.

But yes, Hal died a little less over three years after Superman.

Hehehehehehehe......

Dude, I've got like 20 copies of GL #81.



Well, ok, maybe not TWENTY. Them damn things is hard to find!

[Chuck]

You want the speed record for resurrections? Try Wally West. He died twice within a 3 or 4 year period in the 90's and was okay by the next month each time!

That's nothing. Magneto recently died in the last few panels of an X-Men book(DECAPITATED, for Pete's sake!), and the very next week appeared in another X-Men book as part of an ongoing story arc.

My college creative writing professor put it quite simply:

"If you ever plan to tell another story involving a character, don't kill them. If you kill a character, don't plan to tell any new stories about them. If you kill a character and then realize that you have more stories to tell, set them in a time period BEFORE they died. Anything else is just rubbish."

Actually, the 'Magneto' who got decapitated (New X-men 150) was someone posing as Magneto (and Xorn), so Magneto was not recently killed. However, it looked like Wolverine killed Magneto back in X-men 113, but of course he didn't die because he showed up in pages of Excalibur following New X-men 150.

At Marvel it's always about the hype

[Byrneout]

Actually, the 'Magneto' who got decapitated (New X-men 150) was someone posing as Magneto (and Xorn), so Magneto was not recently killed. However, it looked like Wolverine killed Magneto back in X-men 113, but of course he didn't die because he showed up in pages of Excalibur following New X-men 150.

At Marvel it's always about the hype

So, let me get this straight...

It was an unknown character who was impersonating Magneto who was impersonating Xorn? And we have no explanation of why or who the copycat really was?

That's almost worse...

[Todd Luck]

You want the speed record for resurrections? Try Wally West. He died twice within a 3 or 4 year period in the 90's and was okay by the next month each time!

That's nothing. Magneto recently died in the last few panels of an X-Men book(DECAPITATED, for Pete's sake!), and the very next week appeared in another X-Men book as part of an ongoing story arc.

My college creative writing professor put it quite simply:

"If you ever plan to tell another story involving a character, don't kill them. If you kill a character, don't plan to tell any new stories about them. If you kill a character and then realize that you have more stories to tell, set them in a time period BEFORE they died. Anything else is just rubbish."

Actually, the 'Magneto' who got decapitated (New X-men 150) was someone posing as Magneto (and Xorn), so Magneto was not recently killed. However, it looked like Wolverine killed Magneto back in X-men 113, but of course he didn't die because he showed up in pages of Excalibur following New X-men 150.

At Marvel it's always about the hype

The real Magneto was supposed to be there at some point in that New X-Men plotline right? That would've been a helluva lot of magnetism for an imposter to pull off. My real question was why New York wasn't trashed in Spiderman (the only other Marvel Universe comic I get) after Mags leveled the city.

[Chuck]

Well Todd,

The x-geeks over at the Mutant Liberation Front boards believe that:

the real Magneto was healing and recovering from his injuries suffered when Genosha was attacked, its only been a year or so comic time, so that would be enough time for him to recover from serious injuries.

the real Xorn was still imprisioned in China, or at least until he was recovered in the newest Xmen issues.

that means that the "Magneto/Xorn" that attacked New York was a fake, someone else that impersionated them to try and get his own agenda across... (posted by redfsaerw)

[Todd Luck]

Well Todd,

The x-geeks over at the Mutant Liberation Front boards believe that:

the real Magneto was healing and recovering from his injuries suffered when Genosha was attacked, its only been a year or so comic time, so that would be enough time for him to recover from serious injuries.

the real Xorn was still imprisioned in China, or at least until he was recovered in the newest Xmen issues.

that means that the "Magneto/Xorn" that attacked New York was a fake, someone else that impersionated them to try and get his own agenda across... (posted by redfsaerw)

Was this the explaination given in the comics or a fan's explaination? (Do they still have no prizes ?)

Having read the New X-Men plotline I really thought they'ld just go back in time and stop the death of Jean and Mags and the destruction of New York after Morrison left (and I stopped reading). Never go for the easy out I guess...

[Chuck]

Hey Todd,

The explaination with the Magneto/Xorn thing is a little of both (Marvel and Fans).

To really know what the heck is going on in Mutant Universe you gotta read like all the X-books. When Mag's head got sliced off by Wolverine in X-men 150; Magneto appeared in Excalibur the following month (a book I don't read), which most likely had some sort of explaination.

However, another question which still lingers is what the heck happened to Xorn. Recently in X-men they found another guy locked up in China believed to be Xorn, but it was like his friggin twin brother.

So when the did the original Xorn get replace by the fake Magneto or was the Xorn the fake Magneto?

Any body else who really knows X-men continuity can step in.......
any mintue now....
I'm still waiting

[magnusr]

Any body else who really knows X-men continuity can step in.......
any mintue now....
I'm still waiting

Kind of reminds me of when a friend at work gave me a quick run-down of what had happened in X-men continuity between 1980 and 1995. Seems I need him again.

/Magnus

[Todd Luck]

Any body else who really knows X-men continuity can step in.......
any mintue now....
I'm still waiting

Kind of reminds me of when a friend at work gave me a quick run-down of what had happened in X-men continuity between 1980 and 1995. Seems I need him again.

/Magnus

Damn you must have been their awhile. "You see Jean Grey wasn't really Jean Grey in the Pheonix Saga and Magneto was turned into a baby and then into good guy and..." Head hurts just thinking about it. X-Men continuity has always been complicated to put it politely.

[shaxper]

The biggest character I can think of that has managed to stay dead, thus far, is Captain Marvel.

Here's my brief review of characters that *SQUEE* me off when they came back to life:

Jean Gray
Terra (New Teen Titans)
Jason Todd (2nd Robin)
Superman


I find it particularly upsetting when they TRY to keep a character dead for years, and then some upstart says "hey, let's bring this guy back" ten years later. With the exception of Superman, all of the above fit this description.

[Escaflown4]

Hey Todd,

The explaination with the Magneto/Xorn thing is a little of both (Marvel and Fans).

To really know what the heck is going on in Mutant Universe you gotta read like all the X-books. When Mag's head got sliced off by Wolverine in X-men 150; Magneto appeared in Excalibur the following month (a book I don't read), which most likely had some sort of explaination.

However, another question which still lingers is what the heck happened to Xorn. Recently in X-men they found another guy locked up in China believed to be Xorn, but it was like his friggin twin brother.

So when the did the original Xorn get replace by the fake Magneto or was the Xorn the fake Magneto?

Any body else who really knows X-men continuity can step in.......
any mintue now....
I'm still waiting

Alright guys, I hear ya'll need some explanation with Magneto's death.

Watch this movie and all will be answered.

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/218160

[Chuck]

hey Escaflown4,

That was cool

Thanks, I really liked the way they answered it LOL.

[Todd Luck]

Terra (New Teen Titans)
Jason Todd (2nd Robin)

We may be talking about different Terra's but there was one in the 90's who looked like the original Terra but really wasn't (she was made up to look like her by a villian who wanted to infiltrate a group of Titans in the future...oh, it's a long story). Is there another one now or did they reveal that she was Terra resurrected?

And when in the name of God did they bring Jason Todd back and why?!?!

[Byrneout]

Alright guys, I hear ya'll need some explanation with Magneto's death.

Watch this movie and all will be answered.

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/218160

Genius. Unadulterated genius.

[shaxper]

We may be talking about different Terra's but there was one in the 90's who looked like the original Terra but really wasn't (she was made up to look like her by a villian who wanted to infiltrate a group of Titans in the future...oh, it's a long story). Is there another one now or did they reveal that she was Terra resurrected?

Yes, that's the one. It looked like they were leading up to reveal that it was the same Terra and that the "new Terra" thing was just a cover, particularly when she went to visit her grave, but I never waited for an actual confirmation. I stand corrected.

And when in the name of God did they bring Jason Todd back and why?!?!

He's supposedly Hush, from what I've heard. I'm not up on the current Batman stories though, so it's possible this has only been hinted and not revealed. Can anyone else clarify?

[Todd Luck]

And when in the name of God did they bring Jason Todd back and why?!?!

He's supposedly Hush, from what I've heard. I'm not up on the current Batman stories though, so it's possible this has only been hinted and not revealed. Can anyone else clarify?

I found a thread on Google that said it was a hallucination caused by someone called the Fear Beast ("think fear gas" they said) and that Hush was someone else who I'm sure I'ld appreciate if I had actually read Hush.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

Heh heh heh....