did magnus threw away the XO ring in Magnus V Predator

[drmirage]

did magnus just threw away the xo ring at the end of magnus vs predator?

was that the x-o manowar armor or just a x-o commando armor?

[Ax]

did magnus just threw away the xo ring at the end of magnus vs predator?

was that the x-o manowar armor or just a x-o commando armor?

Yup, he threw that manowar ring away at the end of Predator vs. Magnus and then it wound up in the hands of Ado Krieg who showed up in Rai#15 and Magnus#30. Magnus put the ring on in Magnus#31 for a little while. The ring was held onto by Asa(that gold bird thing) after that.

[Jaknife]

was the nazi armor Arics armor?

[Ax]

was the nazi armor Arics armor?

If you are referring to the armor that the Nazi in Rai#15 wore... they never hinted at who the predators acquired it from. They left it up to your imagination.

[Jaknife]

i see. i was always confused, cuz i thought that aric sent it off to space, so.

[Ax]

did magnus just threw away the xo ring at the end of magnus vs predator?

was that the x-o manowar armor or just a x-o commando armor?

Oh, and Magnus still had the ring on his hand for about half of Rai#17. And I think the last time the manowar armor is mentioned is in Magnus#36 where Kazuyo and Spylocke try to convince Magnus to use the armor against the Malevs.

[dave]

you know, i read every one of those issues and i don't even remember any of what you guys are discussing-maybe because i read mag/pred much later.

[BodaZoffa]

What was Mag's excuse or ideology for not using the armor? Seems like a big waiste not to, especially since he could have waisted an entire army of robots with it in a matter of minutes.....

Boda

[myron]

personal opinion here (I'll try and duck all the incomings on this )

he felt the armor was too much like a sentient robot plus it was
alien in design...both were things he was used to fighting against

but that's just me...

[Ax]

What was Mag's excuse or ideology for not using the armor? Seems like a big waiste not to, especially since he could have waisted an entire army of robots with it in a matter of minutes.....

Boda

I will quote part of the conversation that took place in Magnus#36.

Spylock-
"If it is firepower that we need then let me use the manowar armor we captured in South Am. What did you do with it Magnus?"

Magnus-
"I gave the control ring to Asa and had him hide it. I'll rely on my own power. Besides, look what the armor did to its last wearer! I'm afraid its power has a corrupting influence...especially since it's alien."

[BodaZoffa]

What was Mag's excuse or ideology for not using the armor? Seems like a big waiste not to, especially since he could have waisted an entire army of robots with it in a matter of minutes.....

Boda

I will quote part of the conversation that took place in Magnus#36.

Spylock-
"If it is firepower that we need then let me use the manowar armor we captured in South Am. What did you do with it Magnus?"

Magnus-
"I gave the control ring to Asa and had him hide it. I'll rely on my own power. Besides, look what the armor did to its last wearer! I'm afraid its power has a corrupting influence...especially since it's alien."

Wow... I'll have to read up on this. Do you know what "corrupting influence" Magnus is talking about. In Rai #0 it said it gave Aric unatural long life, but nothing hinted to the armor having a bad influence on it's wearer. The only thing I've seen close to that was when Randy took possession of the armor for a few days.

Boda

[dave]

maybe he meant the quality of the book-remember it started out so good-maybe the armor was actually corrupting the writers...that's why at the end the armor looked so great in all those splash pages but the story was nowhere to be found!

[qrnd]

maybe he meant the quality of the book-remember it started out so good-maybe the armor was actually corrupting the writers...that's why at the end the armor looked so great in all those splash pages but the story was nowhere to be found!

To add to that, it might have been the sudden influence of computer coloring rather than the Valiant method of painting. Who knows what evil that inspired in the heart of Aric?

Now Im waiting for a comic showing how all the freewill robs in 4000AD+ have started using the spider alien armor now that Magnus has handed it over nicely.

[jusdb]

yeah...robot on robot action.

[Ax]

yeah...robot on robot action.

I think you are getting off topic, pervert.

[Sector3600]

What was Mag's excuse or ideology for not using the armor? Seems like a big waiste not to, especially since he could have waisted an entire army of robots with it in a matter of minutes.....

Boda

I will quote part of the conversation that took place in Magnus#36.

Spylock-
"If it is firepower that we need then let me use the manowar armor we captured in South Am. What did you do with it Magnus?"

Magnus-
"I gave the control ring to Asa and had him hide it. I'll rely on my own power. Besides, look what the armor did to its last wearer! I'm afraid its power has a corrupting influence...especially since it's alien."

Wow... I'll have to read up on this. Do you know what "corrupting influence" Magnus is talking about. In Rai #0 it said it gave Aric unatural long life, but nothing hinted to the armor having a bad influence on it's wearer. The only thing I've seen close to that was when Randy took possession of the armor for a few days.

Boda

During the X-O run I believe that Randy (or was in Ken before his arm was healed?) mentioned something about the armor's influence upon your personality. So when Randy had issues in her, the X-O armor latched upon it and modified its behavior to your needs.

In VH2, there was mention of the armor's influence over the life of the wearer to the put the armor "eats" the wearer or such.

I'll remember to look this up in my re-read project (currently re-reading all the pre-UNITY besides Magnus & Rai). I like to read Rai & Magnus after the issues lead to Rai #0.

[Ax]

During the X-O run I believe that Randy (or was in Ken before his arm was healed?) mentioned something about the armor's influence upon your personality. So when Randy had issues in her, the X-O armor latched upon it and modified its behavior to your needs.

I don't think that it actually influenced them other than corrupting them with power.

In VH2, there was mention of the armor's influence over the life of the wearer to the put the armor "eats" the wearer or such.

VH2 doesn't matter.

[Sector3600]

During the X-O run I believe that Randy (or was in Ken before his arm was healed?) mentioned something about the armor's influence upon your personality. So when Randy had issues in her, the X-O armor latched upon it and modified its behavior to your needs.

I don't think that it actually influenced them other than corrupting them with power.

In VH2, there was mention of the armor's influence over the life of the wearer to the put the armor "eats" the wearer or such.

VH2 doesn't matter.

Well in the context of the influence of the X-O armor, I just mentioned VH2's take as a continuation of the process in VH1, my bad!

[dewmaster5708]

Given that the ring controls the X-O Manowar class armor, I don't think the armor can "corrupt or take-over" someone. If spider alien armor (commando class) was good enough for the "Future Force" to accept in their ranks, why not Manowar class?

Sure there was sentience to the Manowar class armor, but the armor was only evil under the control of a 41st century Nazi. You think with a little testing and historical research on the armor, you could determine "reasonable safety." Sure Magnus had a bad encounter with spider alien armor in earlier issues of his book. You think Magnus would know if the armor was good for X-O Aric during Unity, it would be okay to use temporarily against Malevs slaughtering millions of people.

A lame excuse/reason by the writer was used for Magnus' reasoning not to use the X-O armor against the Malevs. It would have cut the storyline shorter. The Malev war dragged on so long for 15 issues? with Rai on top of that for another 11!!!

My point? It makes no sense for Magnus to refuse the armor given that people are being killed by thousands in 4002 every day. Hell, give Kazuyo the X-O Manowar class armor and have Magnus use the Commando class armor if he is afraid of sentient armor. Would you refuse to use the X-O (after analysis and testing turned up okay) if the survival of humanity was at stake??

Leeja could also communicate with only an X-O helmet. She would have likely picked up any "bad vibes" from the armor with her mental abilities.

I welcome anyone to refute my reasoning here. Only referring to VH1 continuity.

[Christopher Martin]

I was also disappointed when Magnus threw the ring away. There were some very cool storyline possiblilities there. Then Magnus gets another chance to wear the armor and chooses not to with some lame excuse! It was such a letdown.

[Sector3600]

Given that the ring controls the X-O Manowar class armor, I don't think the armor can "corrupt or take-over" someone. If spider alien armor (commando class) was good enough for the "Future Force" to accept in their ranks, why not Manowar class?

Sure there was sentience to the Manowar class armor, but the armor was only evil under the control of a 41st century Nazi. You think with a little testing and historical research on the armor, you could determine "reasonable safety." Sure Magnus had a bad encounter with spider alien armor in earlier issues of his book. You think Magnus would know if the armor was good for X-O Aric during Unity, it would be okay to use temporarily against Malevs slaughtering millions of people.

A lame excuse/reason by the writer was used for Magnus' reasoning not to use the X-O armor against the Malevs. It would have cut the storyline shorter. The Malev war dragged on so long for 15 issues? with Rai on top of that for another 11!!!

My point? It makes no sense for Magnus to refuse the armor given that people are being killed by thousands in 4002 every day. Hell, give Kazuyo the X-O Manowar class armor and have Magnus use the Commando class armor if he is afraid of sentient armor. Would you refuse to use the X-O (after analysis and testing turned up okay) if the survival of humanity was at stake??

Leeja could also communicate with only an X-O helmet. She would have likely picked up any "bad vibes" from the armor with her mental abilities.

I welcome anyone to refute my reasoning here. Only referring to VH1 continuity.

Well was it an official that Magnus vs. Predator was in VH1 continuity

Because when Magnus & Rai meet up with a X-O Manowar during the Malev War (The Battle for South Am they act like its too dangerous for anyone to use.

The thing was, there was historical no time to research the XO manowar, it was a big unknown to the team. To the readers it appeared to be too much time but resources where limited, they were fighting battle by battle.

Plus as to the writer, John Ostrander, he's got alot of good work under his belt before working for Valiant. He wrote Firestorm, Suicide Squad, The Spectre, Checkmate and others @ DC Comics. I don't see how he could 'screw' it up unless that was the editorial direction.

Aric wasn't getting involved in teaming up with the other heroes during Unity, he was trying to forge his own empire. He saw Unity as a means to go back to the basics he was so use too. Mothergod knew to kept him out of attacking her main goal.

I don't recall Magnus interacting much with Aric or his armor.

[dewmaster5708]

Sector3600,

You raise some good points about the X-O armor. I have great respect for John Ostranders writing in Firestorm. Firestorm was one heck of a read from #58 to #100.

It could be argued that historical research was limited after the Malev invasion. How long does it take for a resident geomancer to determine what the X-O is through his power? Assuming this X-O armor was once Aric's, a geomancer would know if the armor was still safe or not. Geomancers are not easily deceived

Putting the X-O ring in A-1 and sending the armor off in to space "to heal" was kind of dumb. A-1 (or Asa) is not exactly invulnernable and he did get blown to pieces later. Taking the armor back to base is far more logical than sending away the armor for someone else to possibly find. Would you want to fight some type of X-O Malev?? Sure the Future Force had a lot of "jet lag" in battling aroung the world and little time to think, but they did frequently return to home base(s) to rest and plan

If the Future Force had a problem with alien armor, why accept Kazuyo in their ranks? Magnus did have little interaction with Aric during Unity. However, he did know the power of the armor and would have been familiar with it.

[Sector3600]

Sector3600,

You raise some good points about the X-O armor. I have great respect for John Ostranders writing in Firestorm. Firestorm was one heck of a read from #58 to #100.

It could be argued that historical research was limited after the Malev invasion. How long does it take for a resident geomancer to determine what the X-O is through his power? Assuming this X-O armor was once Aric's, a geomancer would know if the armor was still safe or not. Geomancers are not easily deceived

Putting the X-O ring in A-1 and sending the armor off in to space "to heal" was kind of dumb. A-1 (or Asa) is not exactly invulnernable and he did get blown to pieces later. Taking the armor back to base is far more logical than sending away the armor for someone else to possibly find. Would you want to fight some type of X-O Malev?? Sure the Future Force had a lot of "jet lag" in battling aroung the world and little time to think, but they did frequently return to home base(s) to rest and plan

If the Future Force had a problem with alien armor, why accept Kazuyo in their ranks? Magnus did have little interaction with Aric during Unity. However, he did know the power of the armor and would have been familiar with it.

I thought the XO Commando armor was a "lesser" lifeform or not as envolved as with the XO Manowar

[Byrneout]

I disagree with several points here, so I'll try and rebut them - I see two classes of statements, so I'll try to address each "class" as it were.

1) Sentience and Control

The armor was sentient, with a will of its own. My take was that the control ring allowed you to communicate with the armor more than exercise total command over it. As a reminder, Aric found himself in a position/place that he did not wish to be because the armor wanted to be there (thinking of the spore storyline after Unity, issues 10-11 if I recall correctly).

The X-O Commando armor was fully subservient to Kazuyo, making it an exception to any issues about control.

2) Validation of the safety/usability of the X-O Armor

There is no telling if the armor was Aric's or not. If it wasn't, then the armor would more than likely have been used by Spider Aliens more than humans, meaning it had an alien way of thinking. This would have prevented a Geomancer from getting an easy reading off of it, because it was not of this earth.

Sending it into space to heal wasn't necessarily a bad idea, either - if on earth, the armor could quickly and easily be used against them, whereas putting it in space would have delayed the enemy from acquiring it again.

Also, Spylocke seemed rather covetous of the armor, making it inaccessible to him probably wasn't a bad idea, also.

And when it all comes down to it, I-A or ASA was Magnus' mentor and advisor. Whatever he said, Magnus typically did. It was more ASA's decision than it was Magnus', at least in my opinion.

Also, we have to look at the fact that Magnus beat the armor - he could easily have had the thought that the armor might be more trouble than it was worth.

Of course, I could be wrong.

[Ax]

We are only assuming that Magnus gave the ring back to ASA. If memory serves correctly, the last we see the ring it was on Magnus' hand. It was never actually shown what happened to it.