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I would just like to reiterate that my comments regarding contracts were specifically about the reversion of rights (and if that was based on numbers of years without publication, lets not forget there was litigation preventing that, which may or may not have come into play) and a "buy back" clause (which would require both parties to agree to the sale).

Those were the two clauses repeatedly brought up on CBR, and while there might be some disagreement over the reversion rights clause and bankruptcy (fair enough, I'm not a lawyer and never claimed to be, I only offered what I researched), lets not forget the several years the rights were able to be contested during first the bankruptcy, then the years following the auction and sale to VEI. Priest has stated they did not do so as of 2005, and any attempts after that are unknown, as is any rulings that may have been issued in a court of law.

As far as Kevin Maguire, I have never countered his claims in any way, except in regards to the above mentioned, as my only concern are the claims regarding Quantum & Woody. Let us also remember these claims are only being made by fans, like ireactions, and not by Christopher Priest or MD Bright...At least not since 2005 (if there is a more recent comment, please share, but I don't believe I have seen any).

And lastly, the only reason I became as involved in the conversation as I did (because I do not come to any forum for anything other than congenial discussion) was because it was being stated as if it were fact that the rights belong to Priest and Bright and VEI was committing some sort of theft, fraud or other general wrong. All of which are purely conjecture and not supported with any evidence or comments from the parties directly involved.
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*Sigh* If this guy is serious, regardless of all the legal process that VEI has had to deal with regarding the rights to their properties etc prior to launching themselves as a company, they're still publishing Q+W in July, whether anyone likes it or not, so I don't see why it makes any sense for anyone to bother wasting their time making a fuss over all this nonsense, because they can't affect this event in any way whatsoever.

On the other hand, in the scenario that this 'ireactions' is trolling, spending time signing onto a new forum and making an initial post for the sake of trolling shows horrible impotentcy, so either way it's safe to say that this has all been grand display in pointless behaviour.

I say we put an end to talking all this legal/point of view nonsense and just look forward to the comic coming out :thumb:
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ireactions, I don't know what kind of person you are because I don't know you other than the 10 posts you have placed here, most of which are just quotes from (I'm guessing) the CBR forums. However, I will say bluntly, I don't care about anything you've posted here. If I wanted to know what was being said on the CBR forums, I would register and post there. Please don't spam our board with another's content.

I welcome you aboard if you would like to come here and talk about anything (especially if you hate Canadians), but I don't understand what purpose you could possibly have to create an internet redundancy. Both BugsySig and manga4life posted that they were engaged in a heated debate/argument with posters on the CBR forums. Any of us that were interested would have read this all on CBR (complete with the necessary context), as it's a public site. We could even register and post our own comments. What you have done was waste about 15 minutes of my day, as I thought there was going to be some point to your almost endless copy and pasting.

Again, I will make no judgments about you at this time, but please just chime in with your own words and link out to any site you wish to draw our attention to. I'm sure CBR (and their advertising sponsors) would appreciate that in the future.
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lorddunlow wrote:I welcome you aboard if you would like to come here and talk about anything (especially if you hate Canadians)
Dude, I hate to pick a bone with fellow (and appreciated) regular board users, but he's not going to understand this in-joke facepalm
Sorry pal.
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Shadowman99 wrote:
lorddunlow wrote:I welcome you aboard if you would like to come here and talk about anything (especially if you hate Canadians)
Dude, I hate to pick a bone with fellow (and appreciated) regular board users, but he's not going to understand this in-joke facepalm
Sorry pal.
True, but I doubt any of the newcomers who post in the My Valiant Story thread have any clue about it either. I usually disparage the Canadian folk as my welcome to the board. It's mainly just to get under MarkRoseHFX's skin. It just sort of snowballed from there. I'm sure it's almost worn out as a joke by now, but I've never known when to quit while I'm ahead.
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lorddunlow wrote:I welcome you aboard if you would like to come here and talk about anything (especially if you hate Canadians)
Dude, I hate to pick a bone with fellow (and appreciated) regular board users, but he's not going to understand this in-joke facepalm
Sorry pal.
If he's American, he'll understand. If he's Canadian, he'd probably just get confused, eh.
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Ireactions is so embarrassed and humiliated about being wrong that when the people changed the subject of the Quantum and Woody thread at CBR he had to march on over here and try to continue it. LoL, how sad is that? He's now on my ignore list over at CBR because of his pathetic attempts to coax me into more public arguments via PM's on CBR, he's probably just trying to make up for an undersized dick or something along those lines. Either that or he's obviously got some kind of self esteem issue to where he needs to constantly try to prove himself even after others have moved on, it's a total tree falling in the forest with nobody around to hear it scenario.

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Let's not let an idiot like this ruin the excitement of this fully owned VEI property, though. Valiant is releasing Quantum and Woody this summer, it's going to be a success, it's going to raise the bar and add excitement to the line of books, and it's going to be met with critical praise (on this, I'm sure). Let's all rejoice in the fact that Valiant continues to grow with new titles, public praise, high orders, and a fun and accessible universe of characters that we all love and enjoy.

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BugsySig wrote:
Shadowman99 wrote:
lorddunlow wrote:I welcome you aboard if you would like to come here and talk about anything (especially if you hate Canadians)
Dude, I hate to pick a bone with fellow (and appreciated) regular board users, but he's not going to understand this in-joke facepalm
Sorry pal.
If he's American, he'll understand. If he's Canadian, he'd probably just get confused, eh.
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Wait -- all you guys were joking with the Canaduh stuff?
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Dr. Solar wrote:Wait -- all you guys were joking with the Canaduh stuff?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :funnypost:

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Dr. Solar wrote:Wait -- all you guys were joking with the Canaduh stuff?
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Okay, that just made my day! Thank you for the laugh.
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manga4life wrote:Ireactions is so embarrassed and humiliated about being wrong
wrong [rawng, rong] adjective
1. not in accordance with what is morally right or good: a wrong deed.
2. deviating from truth or fact; erroneous: a wrong answer.
3. not correct in action, judgment, opinion, method, etc., as a person; in error: You are wrong to blame him.
4. not proper or usual; not in accordance with requirements or recommended practice: the wrong way to hold a golf club.
5. out of order; awry; amiss: Something is wrong with the machine.

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manga4life wrote:Valiant Entertainment has 100000% legal ownership to Q&W and Chrissy and Bright don't. It's simple as that. Google it or ask someone you know who's in the legal system and they'll tell you. Acclaim is actually the company that made the agreement, they lost the rights and it went to auction and then they were purchased legally by a separate entity. Once Acclaim lost the rights to the coffers any and all binding commitment between Chrissy and Bright were lost. It's true, look into it. I asked 2 people I know in the legal field and I looked up the bylaws and guidlines online and it's true. So no matter what any of you say, you're wrong. Being right (as per usual) feels so damn good. Good day, kiddies!
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manga4life wrote:Kurt is just taking the side of the creators because its guild-like to do so, I can't blame him in this situation but he is technically wrong. And buying an intellectual property directly from a company (which isn't the case here) is also completely different legally than buying them at auction, whether they want to believe it or not. Its a brick wall for the creators, which sucks for them but laws are laws and nobody can change that no matter what they believe.
Kurt Busiek wrote:Think about it: If bankruptcy simply voided contracts, the publisher wouldn't own anything after bankruptcy, because the contract that gave the publisher any ownership in the first place would have been voided. Bankruptcy doesn't simply void contracts. It does trump termination-on-bankruptcy clauses (and various others), but not all other clauses. The conditions of the purchase (which can include royalties, termination options, assurances of credit, guaranteed shares of licensing moneys and so on) remain the conditions even if the rights and obligations of the company are purchased by someone else.

Bankruptcy doesn't magically take publishing rights away from contractual parties that didn't go bankrupt. It affects the rights the bankrupt party actually held; it doesn't give them _more_ rights they didn't have all along.

The argument that I must be saying this stuff because I'm in solidarity with creators, while the people who are saying Valiant magically owns all and doesn't owe anyone anything aren't motivated by solidarity with, and support for, the new Valiant can be weighed by each individual reader to see it it makes sense, but I'll point out this:

1. I used to be a literary agent, and wrote and negotiated publishing contracts for a living.
2. I've had publishing contracts with companies that went bankrupt, including both Marvel (which came out of bankruptcy) and Eclipse (which got dissolved), and at Marvel all the pre-bankruptcy contract terms still survive, while at Eclipse the rights to THE LIBERTY PROJECT, THE WIZARD'S TALE and other books I had contracted with them wound up with me, not with Todd McFarlane, because while termination-on-bankruptcy isn't enforceable, the rest of the contract is.
3. I've had contracts with a company (Aegis Entertainment, which owned Homage Comics and Wildstorm) that was sold to another company (DC), and the contract terms survived.
4. I've read the Acclaim contracts, was part of negotiating the Acclaim contracts, had my lawyer go over the Acclaim contracts, signed the Acclaim contracts.

Who knows better what happens in a publishing bankruptcy, me or someone without this experience, can be weighed by the individual reader as well.
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Is there a way to put a thread on ignore?

This whole discussion is negatively productive.
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Dr. Solar wrote:Is there a way to put a thread on ignore?

This whole discussion is negatively productive.
If there is, please let me know.
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Again, don't let this Ireactions idiot ruin the thread. He has no leg to stand on that's why he copies and pastes things instead of using his own words, he's a moron and obviously has no life (as if the members here didn't know that already). Let him continue to embarrass himself, it's the only thing he's good at.

What do you guys think about the art in the Q&W previews? So far I think it's pretty darn spectacular and I'm really looking forward to seeing what it looks like in person (and on paper). Just a couple short months away guys, this 1000% legally owned Valiant property is going to be a fun ride and a welcome addition to the VEI stable of legally owned characters and comics! :)
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manga4life wrote:Let's not let an idiot like this ruin the excitement of this fully owned VEI property, though. Valiant is releasing Quantum and Woody this summer, it's going to be a success, it's going to raise the bar and add excitement to the line of books, and it's going to be met with critical praise (on this, I'm sure). Let's all rejoice in the fact that Valiant continues to grow with new titles, public praise, high orders, and a fun and accessible universe of characters that we all love and enjoy.

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Spoken like a true fanboy, in the worst sense of the term.

Sorry Manga4Life, but I read that entire thread and watched you get schooled by Kurt Busiek on the complex legality of the comics industry, only for you to embarrass yourself and the rest of this board by shouting "trollolololol" from up on your anti-Creator's Rights soapbox.

I love comics, but you know what I care more about: the people who make them.

You know who else feels that way? Fred Van Lente. Maybe you should read his book The Comic Book History of Comics and educate yourself on the history of the medium, and the creators who toiled in poverty for decades to produce the comics you feel so entitled to.

As much as I want to love the next Valiant book and continue to support this company, until VEI releases an official statement that address the concerns with this book raised by CBR and Bleeding Cool, I will not be purchasing Quantum & Woody. Because while Valiant may have the legal right to do so, they haven't assured me, as someone who cares about creator's rights, that they have earned the ethical right to do so.
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Xtianhardy wrote:
manga4life wrote:Let's not let an idiot like this ruin the excitement of this fully owned VEI property, though. Valiant is releasing Quantum and Woody this summer, it's going to be a success, it's going to raise the bar and add excitement to the line of books, and it's going to be met with critical praise (on this, I'm sure). Let's all rejoice in the fact that Valiant continues to grow with new titles, public praise, high orders, and a fun and accessible universe of characters that we all love and enjoy.

Valiant = Comics' best publisher. And nobody can take that away.
Spoken like a true fanboy, in the worst sense of the term.

Sorry Manga4Life, but I read that entire thread and watched you get schooled by Kurt Busiek on the complex legality of the comics industry, only for you to embarrass yourself and the rest of this board by shouting "trollolololol" from up on your anti-Creator's Rights soapbox.

I love comics, but you know what I care more about: the people who make them.

You know who else feels that way? Fred Van Lente. Maybe you should read his book The Comic Book History of Comics and educate yourself on the history of the medium, and the creators who toiled in poverty for decades to produce the comics you feel so entitled to.

As much as I want to love the next Valiant book and continue to support this company, until VEI releases an official statement that address the concerns with this book raised by CBR and Bleeding Cool, I will not be purchasing Quantum & Woody. Because while Valiant may have the legal right to do so, they haven't assured me, as someone who cares about creator's rights, that they have earned the ethical right to do so.

To quote something ireactions said in that thread after you returned here to boast of your glory:

We all want to see QUANTUM AND WOODY successful -- it's just that some of us who have some compassion for our fellow human beings would like to see QUANTUM AND WOODY's success shared by the original creators without whom QUANTUM AND WOODY wouldn't exist in the first place.

Reading this thread has made me physically ill.
Think what you want bro, it's your choice. But the rights are what they are and only one company owns the properties and that's Valiant. Kurt's responses on CBR were typical and as much as creators should get what they're owned sometimes things happen. Acclaim should step up (or whoever owns Acclaim now), but Valiant didn't buy these characters from Acclaim.....they bought them from auction. Legally, mind you. Without the red tape. I've already gone through this and won't do it again because quite frankly I'm tired of it and I don't really care about the behind the scenes crap as long as I can read and enjoy comics, so I could care less even is Valiant was somehow screwing someone. It isn't my problem.

I'm done discussing it, I could care less if anyone sides with me or not. At the end of the whole situation I'll be enjoying Q&W, Valiant will bank, and that's really all I care about.

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Xtianhardy wrote:Sorry Manga4Life, but I read that entire thread and watched you get schooled by Kurt Busiek on the complex legality of the comics industry, only for you to embarrass yourself and the rest of this board by shouting "trollolololol" from up on your anti-Creator's Rights soapbox. I love comics, but you know what I care more about: the people who make them.

Reading this thread has made me physically ill.
I don't need everyone -- or even anyone -- to agree with me. But I really appreciate it that at least one person understood what I have been trying to show you.

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manga4life wrote:Valiant didn't buy these characters from Acclaim.....they bought them from auction. Legally, mind you. Without the red tape.
Kurt Busiek wrote:VEI owes those of us who worked for Acclaim whatever the contracts say they owe. If they bought the assets, and the assets come with contractual strings attached, then they're bound by those same strings, as surely as DC is bound by the ASTRO CITY contract I signed with Wildstorm. They bought both assets and obligations. And I say that as someone who signed Acclaim contracts, and went over them carefully at the time.

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ireactions wrote:
manga4life wrote:Valiant didn't buy these characters from Acclaim.....they bought them from auction. Legally, mind you. Without the red tape.
Kurt Busiek wrote:VEI owes those of us who worked for Acclaim whatever the contracts say they owe. If they bought the assets, and the assets come with contractual strings attached, then they're bound by those same strings, as surely as DC is bound by the ASTRO CITY contract I signed with Wildstorm. They bought both assets and obligations. And I say that as someone who signed Acclaim contracts, and went over them carefully at the time.
His keyboard must be broken, all he knows how to do is copy and paste and suck on the nuts of a washed up writer who's best work is behind him. The difference between the Valiant/Acclaim situation and the DC/Wildstorm situation is that Wildstorm was dissolved within an existing company and DC bought Wildstorm as a company, not an IP. Valiant bought IP's, not Acclaim as a company. Kurt is just playing guild-mates with his creative buddies and using this as an instance to bellow about creator rights since he's....well.....a creator. But again, you will believe what YOU want and I will believe what I want and nothing the other person says will make the other feel different so I guess it's time to let it go.

But I know your kind. You know, the "idiot", and those people never walk away. Notice how I walked away from the CBR thread after it switched to discussion about the book instead of who owns it? It's called being the bigger man and since I know I'm better than you on ever single level I'm going to walk away from this battle here as well. Always the winner.

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manga4life wrote:Again, don't let this Ireactions idiot ruin the thread. He has no leg to stand on that's why he copies and pastes things instead of using his own words, he's a moron and obviously has no life (as if the members here didn't know that already). Let him continue to embarrass himself, it's the only thing he's good at.

What do you guys think about the art in the Q&W previews? So far I think it's pretty darn spectacular and I'm really looking forward to seeing what it looks like in person (and on paper). Just a couple short months away guys, this 1000% legally owned Valiant property is going to be a fun ride and a welcome addition to the VEI stable of legally owned characters and comics! :)
I think it's great, Tom Fowler is Canadian as is Cary Nord :D

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We Americans do not call it " Canaduh", we call it Wisconsin.

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jedimarley wrote:We Americans do not call it " Canaduh", we call it Wisconsin.
Canada? Thats the place covered in snow and polar bears, right?
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