valiants comic-con panel

[cdgodin]

Bleeding Cool has a write-up of the panel: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/07/21/ ... l-warrior/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Apparently some guy will ride an elephant through an army in Eternal Warrior. Nice.

[betterthanezra]

Thanks for posting it.

-Brian

[bribri]

Hey thanks for clearing these things up.

But this all sounds like stuff we already knew and things we didn't seems we still don't. Not to be a wet blanket but was there any big news or reveals at all?

Not really a lot of new stuff. Perhaps this is because it wasn't really a Valiant-organized panel. It's my understanding that Better Than Ezra put this whole thing together. So, Valiant didn't really have an agenda as far as I could tell.

I'd say confirmation of a future timeline was one of the biggest things. Someone also asked about using "Phil Seleski". Dinesh paused and replied, "Perhaps..."

Can anyone else think of anything?

I enjoyed what Joshua had to say about the repercussions of Harbinger Wars and how these three groups split off from the event (the Renegades, Generation Zero, and Bloodshot/H.A.R.D. Corps). One fan in the audience told Joshua that he was a bit distraught about the combining of Bloodshot with H.A.R.D. Corps. Joshua had such a great response that I'm sure I won't be able to fully caption here. One of the best things he noted was the fact that BS/HC are working for P.R.S., which is ridiculous! Why the hell would BS work for P.R.S. considering everything that has happened up until now in the series?!? Joshua eluded that this is a really important question that is followed by a very interesting plot.

[Jonman]

Hey thanks for clearing these things up.

But this all sounds like stuff we already knew and things we didn't seems we still don't. Not to be a wet blanket but was there any big news or reveals at all?

Not really a lot of new stuff. Perhaps this is because it wasn't really a Valiant-organized panel. It's my understanding that Better Than Ezra put this whole thing together. So, Valiant didn't really have an agenda as far as I could tell.

I'd say confirmation of a future timeline was one of the biggest things. Someone also asked about using "Phil Seleski". Dinesh paused and replied, "Perhaps..."

Can anyone else think of anything?

I enjoyed what Joshua had to say about the repercussions of Harbinger Wars and how these three groups split off from the event (the Renegades, Generation Zero, and Bloodshot/H.A.R.D. Corps). One fan in the audience told Joshua that he was a bit distraught about the combining of Bloodshot with H.A.R.D. Corps. Joshua had such a great response that I'm sure I won't be able to fully caption here. One of the best things he noted was the fact that BS/HC are working for P.R.S., which is ridiculous! Why the hell would BS work for P.R.S. considering everything that has happened up until now in the series?!? Joshua eluded that this is a really important question that is followed by a very interesting plot.

Wow in glad to hear Dysart address that. I was personally a bit worried about Bloodshot workin for PRS considering everything that has happened.

[bribri]

Bleeding Cool has a write-up of the panel: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/07/21/ ... l-warrior/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Apparently some guy will ride an elephant through an army in Eternal Warrior. Nice.

If I recall correctly, I'm pretty sure Warren said it was a woman riding the elephant through the army.

[tchalla8]

this might be a little bit of news weren't sure of...

http://www.geeksunleashed.me/2013/07/21 ... crossover/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[BugsySig]

Bleeding Cool has a write-up of the panel: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/07/21/ ... l-warrior/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Apparently some guy will ride an elephant through an army in Eternal Warrior. Nice.

If I recall correctly, I'm pretty sure Warren said it was a woman riding the elephant through the army.

It's already in the preview for EW #1 and it's Gilad's daughter riding the elephant.

[AnthonyF]

this might be a little bit of news weren't sure of...

http://www.geeksunleashed.me/2013/07/21 ... crossover/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's what I'm hoping for

[FormerReader]

Hey thanks for clearing these things up.

But this all sounds like stuff we already knew and things we didn't seems we still don't. Not to be a wet blanket but was there any big news or reveals at all?

Not really a lot of new stuff. Perhaps this is because it wasn't really a Valiant-organized panel. It's my understanding that Better Than Ezra put this whole thing together. So, Valiant didn't really have an agenda as far as I could tell.

I'd say confirmation of a future timeline was one of the biggest things. Someone also asked about using "Phil Seleski". Dinesh paused and replied, "Perhaps..."

Can anyone else think of anything?

I enjoyed what Joshua had to say about the repercussions of Harbinger Wars and how these three groups split off from the event (the Renegades, Generation Zero, and Bloodshot/H.A.R.D. Corps). One fan in the audience told Joshua that he was a bit distraught about the combining of Bloodshot with H.A.R.D. Corps. Joshua had such a great response that I'm sure I won't be able to fully caption here. One of the best things he noted was the fact that BS/HC are working for P.R.S., which is ridiculous! Why the hell would BS work for P.R.S. considering everything that has happened up until now in the series?!? Joshua eluded that this is a really important question that is followed by a very interesting plot.

Thank you for filling us in! Thanks to BTE for putting the panel together! Even though there isn't much news it is still exciting to hear any tidbits we get.

[Jonman]

this might be a little bit of news weren't sure of...

http://www.geeksunleashed.me/2013/07/21 ... crossover/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Now thats what I'm talking about!

Gotta love Dysart not being able to keep his mouth shut

[BugsySig]

Hey thanks for clearing these things up.

But this all sounds like stuff we already knew and things we didn't seems we still don't. Not to be a wet blanket but was there any big news or reveals at all?

Not really a lot of new stuff. Perhaps this is because it wasn't really a Valiant-organized panel. It's my understanding that Better Than Ezra put this whole thing together. So, Valiant didn't really have an agenda as far as I could tell.

I agree. If I remember, last years panel did not offer much new info either. I think they do it more as fan outreach. Honestly it makes sense NOT to reveal a lot at SDCC because any news is likely to get buried under all the Marvel, DC and Hollywood panels and announcements.

[Jonman]

Hey thanks for clearing these things up.

But this all sounds like stuff we already knew and things we didn't seems we still don't. Not to be a wet blanket but was there any big news or reveals at all?

Not really a lot of new stuff. Perhaps this is because it wasn't really a Valiant-organized panel. It's my understanding that Better Than Ezra put this whole thing together. So, Valiant didn't really have an agenda as far as I could tell.

I agree. If I remember, last years panel did not offer much new info either. I think they do it more as fan outreach. Honestly it makes sense NOT to reveal a lot at SDCC because any news is likely to get buried under all the Marvel, DC and Hollywood panels and announcements.

Yeah good point. Marvel basically blew their load all over everyone with their movie stuff, especially Avengers: Age of Ultron reveal. Same goes for DC with Superman/Batman news.

I'm starting to think they're more in the movie making business anymore. Explains they're lackluster comics. At least Valiant is a proper comics company.

[tchalla8]

Hey thanks for clearing these things up.

But this all sounds like stuff we already knew and things we didn't seems we still don't. Not to be a wet blanket but was there any big news or reveals at all?

Not really a lot of new stuff. Perhaps this is because it wasn't really a Valiant-organized panel. It's my understanding that Better Than Ezra put this whole thing together. So, Valiant didn't really have an agenda as far as I could tell.

I agree. If I remember, last years panel did not offer much new info either. I think they do it more as fan outreach. Honestly it makes sense NOT to reveal a lot at SDCC because any news is likely to get buried under all the Marvel, DC and Hollywood panels and announcements.

Yeah good point. Marvel basically blew their load all over everyone with their movie stuff, especially Avengers: Age of Ultron reveal. Same goes for DC with Superman/Batman news.

I'm starting to think they're more in the movie making business anymore. Explains they're lackluster comics. At least Valiant is a proper comics company.

As for Marvel and DC, can you blame them? That's where the cash is.

[Daniel Jackson]

Glad to hear someone brought up using Phil Seleski. I suppose "perhaps" is better than nothing for a reply, but still, it would have cool for Dino to have talked about it and some of the characters like Joshua Fireseed.

[Jonman]

Hey thanks for clearing these things up.

But this all sounds like stuff we already knew and things we didn't seems we still don't. Not to be a wet blanket but was there any big news or reveals at all?

Not really a lot of new stuff. Perhaps this is because it wasn't really a Valiant-organized panel. It's my understanding that Better Than Ezra put this whole thing together. So, Valiant didn't really have an agenda as far as I could tell.

I agree. If I remember, last years panel did not offer much new info either. I think they do it more as fan outreach. Honestly it makes sense NOT to reveal a lot at SDCC because any news is likely to get buried under all the Marvel, DC and Hollywood panels and announcements.

Yeah good point. Marvel basically blew their load all over everyone with their movie stuff, especially Avengers: Age of Ultron reveal. Same goes for DC with Superman/Batman news.

I'm starting to think they're more in the movie making business anymore. Explains they're lackluster comics. At least Valiant is a proper comics company.

As for Marvel and DC, can you blame them? That's where the cash is.

Never said it was a bad thing for them, nor do I blame them. This is a capitalist society afterall, so of course your sentiment is immediately "can you blame them" when it means more money. But the truth is they're more interested in those things than creating good comics. The price, in this case, is a person who no longer cares much for their comics. I'll stick by Valiant when it comes to good quality comics.

[tchalla8]

Hey thanks for clearing these things up.

But this all sounds like stuff we already knew and things we didn't seems we still don't. Not to be a wet blanket but was there any big news or reveals at all?

Not really a lot of new stuff. Perhaps this is because it wasn't really a Valiant-organized panel. It's my understanding that Better Than Ezra put this whole thing together. So, Valiant didn't really have an agenda as far as I could tell.

I agree. If I remember, last years panel did not offer much new info either. I think they do it more as fan outreach. Honestly it makes sense NOT to reveal a lot at SDCC because any news is likely to get buried under all the Marvel, DC and Hollywood panels and announcements.

Yeah good point. Marvel basically blew their load all over everyone with their movie stuff, especially Avengers: Age of Ultron reveal. Same goes for DC with Superman/Batman news.

I'm starting to think they're more in the movie making business anymore. Explains they're lackluster comics. At least Valiant is a proper comics company.

As for Marvel and DC, can you blame them? That's where the cash is.

Never said it was a bad thing for them, nor do I blame them. This is a capitalist society afterall, so of course your sentiment is immediately "can you blame them" when it means more money. But the truth is they're more interested in those things than creating good comics. The price, in this case, is a person who no longer cares much for their comics. I'll stick by Valiant when it comes to good quality comics.

Don't disagree with any of that.

[BugsySig]

Hey thanks for clearing these things up.

But this all sounds like stuff we already knew and things we didn't seems we still don't. Not to be a wet blanket but was there any big news or reveals at all?

Not really a lot of new stuff. Perhaps this is because it wasn't really a Valiant-organized panel. It's my understanding that Better Than Ezra put this whole thing together. So, Valiant didn't really have an agenda as far as I could tell.

I agree. If I remember, last years panel did not offer much new info either. I think they do it more as fan outreach. Honestly it makes sense NOT to reveal a lot at SDCC because any news is likely to get buried under all the Marvel, DC and Hollywood panels and announcements.

Yeah good point. Marvel basically blew their load all over everyone with their movie stuff, especially Avengers: Age of Ultron reveal. Same goes for DC with Superman/Batman news.

I'm starting to think they're more in the movie making business anymore. Explains they're lackluster comics. At least Valiant is a proper comics company.

As for Marvel and DC, can you blame them? That's where the cash is.

Never said it was a bad thing for them, nor do I blame them. This is a capitalist society afterall, so of course your sentiment is immediately "can you blame them" when it means more money. But the truth is they're more interested in those things than creating good comics. The price, in this case, is a person who no longer cares much for their comics. I'll stick by Valiant when it comes to good quality comics.

It wouldn't be so bad if it didn't directly affect the creative side of the comics...Like creating an African -American Nick Fury or changing the Avengers line-up to match the movie or cramming Thanos down everyone's throats.

[Jonman]

And lets be honest, it's not like their movies ever aim to do anything besides action or comedy. With the exception of maybe Nolan's Batman films, no Marvel or DC movies even attempt to be brave and make social or political observations. They're usually pretty mindless. Valiant comics so far, only a little over a year in, have accomplished more than that from a storytelling standpoint.

Not that I don't enjoy superhero movies. But that's the observation I'm making: the big 2 have become mindless nostalgic fun for me. But when I want thoughtful, introspective, comics with mature themes, I read Valiant.

[BugsySig]

But when I want thoughtful, introspective, comics with mature themes, I read Valiant.

Sounds like something this guy would say:

[erwinrafael]

And lets be honest, it's not like their movies ever aim to do anything besides action or comedy. With the exception of maybe Nolan's Batman films, no Marvel or DC movies even attempt to be brave and make social or political observations. They're usually pretty mindless. Valiant comics so far, only a little over a year in, have accomplished more than that from a storytelling standpoint.

Not that I don't enjoy superhero movies. But that's the observation I'm making: the big 2 have become mindless nostalgic fun for me. But when I want thoughtful, introspective, comics with mature themes, I read Valiant.

well, there are bright spots in Marvel / DC. Like Hawkeye and Datredevil for example. Valiant has not produced so far a book that approaches that level of quality.

[Jonman]

And lets be honest, it's not like their movies ever aim to do anything besides action or comedy. With the exception of maybe Nolan's Batman films, no Marvel or DC movies even attempt to be brave and make social or political observations. They're usually pretty mindless. Valiant comics so far, only a little over a year in, have accomplished more than that from a storytelling standpoint.

Not that I don't enjoy superhero movies. But that's the observation I'm making: the big 2 have become mindless nostalgic fun for me. But when I want thoughtful, introspective, comics with mature themes, I read Valiant.

well, there are bright spots in Marvel / DC. Like Hawkeye and Datredevil for example. Valiant has not produced so far a book that approaches that level of quality.

Youre kidding right? Hawkeye is Marvel's best book, arguably for sure, but I'd contend Harby and X-O "approach that level of quality".

Anyway, I never said they didn't have some good books. My point is they are driven by the film industry, thus I wouldn't even consider them a proper comic company anymore.

[Jonman]

But when I want thoughtful, introspective, comics with mature themes, I read Valiant.

Sounds like something this guy would say:

Why thank you

[shadow5555]

Question about Bloodshot and Hard Corps: Dysart says he's not sure if HC could float its own book right now. Story about how bloodshot goes back to work with Rising Spirit should be interesting.

I thought as much. As much as many of the board members here would love to see new books launched for older titles, I honestly don't think many of them would work as relaunched efforts and stand alone titles. Build the universe populate it with cool characters, do backup stories as acceptable, but don't launch a book that won't be successful. (I'll refrain from listing titles since everyone might not agree with the titles I believe could be second string and not worthy to get their own books)

Which is why I love Dinesh's explanations for releasing new titles. If this was Marvel, we'd have umpteen number of titles featuring Bloodshot alone by now. Yet they appear committed to putting out books that are unique unto themselves while also trying to appeal to as broad of base of fans and genres as possible. Love it.

Something I've mentioned in other topics. I'd rather see VEI follow Shooters way of growing Valiant rather than how post-Shooter we got a massive explosion and the quality was all over the place and eventually the books suffered as the quality bar wasn't kept up on certain books post-Unity / pre-Chaos Effect, then post Birthquake the quality was there (mostly), but the editorial control was not since many creators had no holds barred, do anything they pleased with the characters approaches. Which as we all know wasn't a great thing for many of the characters.

And lets be honest, it's not like their movies ever aim to do anything besides action or comedy. With the exception of maybe Nolan's Batman films, no Marvel or DC movies even attempt to be brave and make social or political observations. They're usually pretty mindless. Valiant comics so far, only a little over a year in, have accomplished more than that from a storytelling standpoint.

Not that I don't enjoy superhero movies. But that's the observation I'm making: the big 2 have become mindless nostalgic fun for me. But when I want thoughtful, introspective, comics with mature themes, I read Valiant.

As I mentioned in that other thread about the one board member not reading valiant anymore, there is so much more to read that DC and Marvel (and others) have put out in the past that I usually don't bother reading any of their newer stuff, the only thing I'm reading line wide right now is Valiant, because it's still small enough to do that, if they go 15 books, I might start scaling back, but as long as the quality is there, I'll keep reading. Also if the big two aren't putting out anything good, I'm sure there is older material that many people here have never read that would be worthwhile to go seek out and read.

Currently reading Bob Hall's Armed and Dangerous and it's excellent. Loads better than Sin City in my opinion. I have two more issues to finish in the second series then I'm done, and I hope for a satisfying conclusion, which I think will happen. Still had I not gone back and sought it out (and Sonicdan for providing it to me at a fair price) I would have missed out, which is my point lots of great older books to read, if nothing is appealing from other companies these days.

[BugsySig]

^^^^
Comixology is great for those back issues. Many, including some lesser known titles like The Grackle, have been made available digitally.

[Crow331]

Brian refused to let me ask a question so I went to Dino directly.

Q: Has the Shadowman script been turned in yet?

Dino: I got it 2 weeks ago and I read it. It's a good first draft, we are moving in the right direction. We are going to have a meeting in a few weeks and discuss the pluses and minuses and give notes for the 2nd draft(*not word for word from Dinesh, this is basically what he said)

Q: Is Ice Cube still attached?

Dino: (laughter) He's signed on the dotted line.