Archer & Armstrong #13 Discussion

[hunter_peterson]

In regards to experience, Archer can access the Akashic record. That's bound to give him an edge in the sack.

Wow, yeah. The dude's a Kama Sutra Master!

Best superpower ever!

EDIT: Also, unrelated, I choose to insanely cling to the notion that Redacted survived, because he was awesome.

[Blood of Heroes]

EDIT: Also, unrelated, I choose to insanely cling to the notion that Redacted survived, because he was awesome.

Since the Archers got Obie from PRS, it would make sense that he was some of the 'tech' that Redacted sent them. But first he's going to need to steal him from his biological parents, Armstrong and Mary Maria.

Also, Redacted is awesome.

[MarkRoseHFX]

Archer will be ok. he's gonna get a whole lotta lovin' in the future.

[lorddunlow]

EDIT: Also, unrelated, I choose to insanely cling to the notion that Redacted survived, because he was awesome.

Since the Archers got Obie from PRS, it would make sense that he was some of the 'tech' that Redacted sent them. But first he's going to need to steal him from his biological parents, Armstrong and Mary Maria .

Also, Redacted is awesome.

Stop saying that! Ewwwww.

Also, no way Redacted is dead. That dude is fueled by pure unadulterated spite.

[Peter]

Great story, this title keeps getting better.
Redacted gave me a good laugh with his not that close line.

Had a laugh also with Aram's and Mary Maria's liaison. Both of them so full of life and on an energy high after winning a battle, and on top of that very drunk, it was bound to happen. The second Aram was sober I believe he would have regretted this and his profuse apologies were evident of this, after all he's been 'round the block a few times. I know that doesn't excuse his actions either, but I guess Obie is learning a tough life lesson, just because you love someone doesn't necessarily mean that they love you back the same way. It will be interesting to see how he deals with this pain.

I am loving how we are slowly learning more and more about Ivar, especially his throw away lines, I really hope he gets his own title soon.
What is the consensus, does Ivar have immortality?
I had surmised that the Boon had given all three brothers immortality and that the scratches on Gilad's face where from the raptor creatures he fought before he died, perhaps I shouldn't assume, we all know what that does.

[hunter_peterson]

Great story, this title keeps getting better.
Redacted gave me a good laugh with his not that close line.

Had a laugh also with Aram's and Mary Maria's liaison. Both of them so full of life and on an energy high after winning a battle, and on top of that very drunk, it was bound to happen. The second Aram was sober I believe he would have regretted this and his profuse apologies were evident of this, after all he's been 'round the block a few times. I know that doesn't excuse his actions either, but I guess Obie is learning a tough life lesson, just because you love someone doesn't necessarily mean that they love you back the same way. It will be interesting to see how he deals with this pain.

I am loving how we are slowly learning more and more about Ivar, especially his throw away lines, I really hope he gets his own title soon.
What is the consensus, does Ivar have immortality?
I had surmised that the Boon had given all three brothers immortality and that the scratches on Gilad's face where from the raptor creatures he fought before he died, perhaps I shouldn't assume, we all know what that does.

I think Ivar is likely mortal. We now know Gilad is when he isn't serving the Earth, because he started to age. Armstrong appears to be the only true immortal in history until Darque and Mary-Maria happened; all the others are conditional to serving Houses and such. Though Bleeding Monk is immortal, it appears... maybe he's related? Or just body hopping. IMMORATALS MAKE CONFUSE!

[Peter]

Great story, this title keeps getting better.
Redacted gave me a good laugh with his not that close line.

Had a laugh also with Aram's and Mary Maria's liaison. Both of them so full of life and on an energy high after winning a battle, and on top of that very drunk, it was bound to happen. The second Aram was sober I believe he would have regretted this and his profuse apologies were evident of this, after all he's been 'round the block a few times. I know that doesn't excuse his actions either, but I guess Obie is learning a tough life lesson, just because you love someone doesn't necessarily mean that they love you back the same way. It will be interesting to see how he deals with this pain.

I am loving how we are slowly learning more and more about Ivar, especially his throw away lines, I really hope he gets his own title soon.
What is the consensus, does Ivar have immortality?
I had surmised that the Boon had given all three brothers immortality and that the scratches on Gilad's face where from the raptor creatures he fought before he died, perhaps I shouldn't assume, we all know what that does.

I think Ivar is likely mortal. We now know Gilad is when he isn't serving the Earth, because he started to age. Armstrong appears to be the only true immortal in history until Darque and Mary-Maria happened; all the others are conditional to serving Houses and such. Though Bleeding Monk is immortal, it appears... maybe he's related? Or just body hopping. IMMORATALS MAKE CONFUSE!

Cheers Hunter
Finding out more about the houses will be interesting, specifically which one Xaran serves, sorry I know wrong thread.

Perhaps Aram has bohemian nanites, poetry, party and free love.

[bribri]

These actions just reveal him to be a immoral hedonist, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him and that's not very far with his fat a$$.

Um, well, he is the devil...

[erwinrafael]

Exactly, Armstrong is a pig. I'm 43 and I wouldn't even consider sleeping with an 18 year old girl, that's just wrong.

What if you were immortal? And you lived 6000+ years? You think you would be a "perfect" "moral" person that whole time?

That's 100 lifetimes ... still in the prime of your life (physiologically) with no physical consequences when it comes to over indulging when it comes to drinking, food and sex. You have seen every friendship and lover DIE hundreds of times over...
Aram has seen morality change hundreds of times over ...depending on the culture and the time period.

I'm actually surprised he isn't more "screwed" up morally. When you live that long and seen so many atrocities and seen so many people you care about die and seen so many cultures change when it comes to "right" and "wrong"... it would be easy to subscribe to an idea of "Moral Relativism". I'm not saying that's what Aram subscribes to ... He obviously feels what he did was WRONG and obviously feels terrible about what he did. I think you need to lay off the brother a little bit ... the amount of outrage doesn't fit the crime

On the moral outrage scale this would be pretty low on the list.

Peter controlling Kris and making her kiss him and had her do who knows what else? That deserved outrage
And all the death in these comics ...cold blooded death... from Hardcorp, Bloodshot, Peter ..etc

But this is why I read Valiant comics. Its for a realistic take on a superhero universe.

I don't want to read a story of an immortal through the lens of Disney

He's like a dumbass frat boy who over stayed his welcome, I hope Erica shows up and fries his bacon once and for all! DOOSH

The same Erica who wants to play God by wiping out all reality ... and sleeps with her son? Even a Moral Relativist would say that's messed up..

Thank you.

[jmatt]

EDIT: Also, unrelated, I choose to insanely cling to the notion that Redacted survived, because he was awesome.

Ya never saw the body. General Redacted is still *SQUEE* alive!

[hunter_peterson]

Great story, this title keeps getting better.
Redacted gave me a good laugh with his not that close line.

Had a laugh also with Aram's and Mary Maria's liaison. Both of them so full of life and on an energy high after winning a battle, and on top of that very drunk, it was bound to happen. The second Aram was sober I believe he would have regretted this and his profuse apologies were evident of this, after all he's been 'round the block a few times. I know that doesn't excuse his actions either, but I guess Obie is learning a tough life lesson, just because you love someone doesn't necessarily mean that they love you back the same way. It will be interesting to see how he deals with this pain.

I am loving how we are slowly learning more and more about Ivar, especially his throw away lines, I really hope he gets his own title soon.
What is the consensus, does Ivar have immortality?
I had surmised that the Boon had given all three brothers immortality and that the scratches on Gilad's face where from the raptor creatures he fought before he died, perhaps I shouldn't assume, we all know what that does.

I think Ivar is likely mortal. We now know Gilad is when he isn't serving the Earth, because he started to age. Armstrong appears to be the only true immortal in history until Darque and Mary-Maria happened; all the others are conditional to serving Houses and such. Though Bleeding Monk is immortal, it appears... maybe he's related? Or just body hopping. IMMORATALS MAKE CONFUSE!

Cheers Hunter
Finding out more about the houses will be interesting, specifically which one Xaran serves, sorry I know wrong thread.

Perhaps Aram has bohemian nanites, poetry, party and free love.

Party nanites; it's a good thing.

And NOSTROVIA!

EDIT: Also, unrelated, I choose to insanely cling to the notion that Redacted survived, because he was awesome.

Ya never saw the body. General Redacted is still *SQUEE* alive!

I just figured out how to black things out! REDACTED FOREVER MOTHERLICKERS!

[greg]

his biological parents, Armstrong and Mary Maria .

Stop saying that! Ewwwww.

But they named her Mary-Maria.
Mary --- as in 'MOTHER'... and in case you didn't catch it the first time... Maria... as in 'MOTHER'.

[NapoleonBlownapart]

Why is everybody so upset about Armstrong having sex with somebody who's 18 years old? She's a legal adult as far as the United States is concerned, and the age difference between them now isn't much less than the age difference will be in 70 years because Armstrong is over 6000 years old. Everybody's a child by his standards.

[FormerReader]

Why is everybody so upset about Armstrong having sex with somebody who's 18 years old? She's a legal adult as far as the United States is concerned, and the age difference between them now isn't much less than the age difference will be in 70 years because Armstrong is over 6000 years old. Everybody's a child by his standards.

I'm sure because some people on here have daughters and it is probably not the age difference, but how young she is. If she was 70 she was a lot more likely to understand the choice she was making.

[lorddunlow]

his biological parents, Armstrong and Mary Maria .

Stop saying that! Ewwwww.

But they named her Mary-Maria.
Mary --- as in 'MOTHER'... and in case you didn't catch it the first time... Maria... as in 'MOTHER'.

:fingers in ears: lalalalalalala I can't hear you!


Dang it! I can still read with my fingers in my ears! Let me try this again:

:hands over eyes: u csvt rwsd tjis

Dang it! Blind nose typing is hard. I'll thwart you somehow Greg! Just gimme a minute!

[tchalla8]

Why is everybody so upset about Armstrong having sex with somebody who's 18 years old? She's a legal adult as far as the United States is concerned, and the age difference between them now isn't much less than the age difference will be in 70 years because Armstrong is over 6000 years old. Everybody's a child by his standards.

Because its skeevy...

[lorddunlow]

Why is everybody so upset about Armstrong having sex with somebody who's 18 years old? She's a legal adult as far as the United States is concerned, and the age difference between them now isn't much less than the age difference will be in 70 years because Armstrong is over 6000 years old. Everybody's a child by his standards.

Because its skeevy...

[jmatt]

his biological parents, Armstrong and Mary Maria .

Stop saying that! Ewwwww.

But they named her Mary-Maria.
Mary --- as in 'MOTHER'... and in case you didn't catch it the first time... Maria... as in 'MOTHER'.

:fingers in ears: lalalalalalala I can't hear you!


Dang it! I can still read with my fingers in my ears! Let me try this again:

:hands over eyes: u csvt rwsd tjis

Dang it! Blind nose typing is hard. I'll thwart you somehow Greg! Just gimme a minute!

[bygranddesign]

You can make the argument that she is NOT an 18 year old girl anymore

After the boon was set off she changed

She is more closely related to Aram than anyone else

She was reformed by the boon and the host for her parents souls and probably everyone else that died from the boon

She absorbed their life essences - and everything good and bad about them. She probably doesnt realize they are inside her but they definitely influence her behavior

I think that was one of the main points of them getting together ... They both share that bond. They probably don't realize this bond at the surface but perhaps the souls/nanites inside them compelled them to be together.

I think we get too hung up on what she looks like and her age ... But imo that 18 year old girl died when the boon was set off and was reformed as the host of a collection of many souls.

[NapoleonBlownapart]

Also, has her age ever been explicitly stated? She could easily be as old as 25 for all we know.

[Brother Darque]

Archer will be ok. he's gonna get a whole lotta lovin' in the future.

he like's 'em thick!

[BugsySig]

his biological parents, Armstrong and Mary Maria .

Stop saying that! Ewwwww.

But they named her Mary-Maria.
Mary --- as in 'MOTHER'... and in case you didn't catch it the first time... Maria... as in 'MOTHER'.

What if...

1) MM does get pregnant by Armstrong...
2) MM & Armstrong are both made of Nanites due to the Boon...
3) They are stuck in the Faraway for some time before finding a way out to somewhere...or some when...

...Rai?

[lorddunlow]

indeed

[bygranddesign]

his biological parents, Armstrong and Mary Maria .

Stop saying that! Ewwwww.

But they named her Mary-Maria.
Mary --- as in 'MOTHER'... and in case you didn't catch it the first time... Maria... as in 'MOTHER'.

What if...

1) MM does get pregnant by Armstrong...
2) MM & Armstrong are both made of Nanites due to the Boon...
3) They are stuck in the Faraway for some time before finding a way out to somewhere...or some when...

...Rai?

i agree. This could be where they are going with this ...

[BugsySig]

his biological parents, Armstrong and Mary Maria .

Stop saying that! Ewwwww.

But they named her Mary-Maria.
Mary --- as in 'MOTHER'... and in case you didn't catch it the first time... Maria... as in 'MOTHER'.

What if...

1) MM does get pregnant by Armstrong...
2) MM & Armstrong are both made of Nanites due to the Boon...
3) They are stuck in the Faraway for some time before finding a way out to somewhere...or some when...

...Rai?

i agree. This could be where they are going with this ...

The child could form in the image of the original incarnation of the Nanites...which might explain the similar look to Bloodshot...or evolve in the future. OR the child could simply be the 1st Rai who later is used as the source of the Blood of Heroes that is given to future Rais.

I feel like General Redacted