Most desired VEI Variant

mkb28 · Post by **mkb28** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:21 pm

depluto wrote:I got a gold book for wearing a Valiant shirt down at a con in Miami ... they had several Shadowman golds in the box along with a bunch of other gold books. I went with a Harbinger gold since it's my favorite book. But then I got another book for going to the panel so I went with an X-O 0 gold. Also, my son came along so ...

I wonder what the print run is on all these books. Does it vary from gold to gold?

I wore a Valiant shirt at Planet ComiCon in Kansas City, MO... and all I got was a rock.

I do think it varies by Gold book on the print run and I bet Bloodshot can answer this question better. Next time, grab the Shadowman Gold books.

mkb28

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 7:03 pm

If I got a gold book for every time I've worn a Valiant shirt at a con where VEI has been I'd........

Have a lot of gold books.

BloodShot · Post by **BloodShot** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 10:41 am

Elveen wrote:
BloodShot wrote:
Elveen wrote:
BloodShot wrote:
nycjadie wrote:Unity Gold is harder to find than Shadowman gold. It's always been the toughest, in my experience.
Unity #1 GOLD is a tough pull, for sure; but trust me when I tell you, the Shadowman #1 GOLD is definitely more scarce. Definitely.
Are you saying tougher in cgc grade or in general?
BOTH.

Census shows only four 9.8 copies of Shadowman #1 GOLD, as compared to almost twice that many of Unity #1 GOLD (seven, to be specific).

And I personally garnered three of the Shadowman #1 GOLDs, and four of the Unity #1 GOLDs, so there's that, too.
Thanks. Good info to know.

Well, in retrospect, I do want to clarify a couple of things. One is, although the numbers do show there are more 9.8 Unity #1 GOLDs than 9.8 Shadowman #1 GOLDs, there's a two-fold reason for that: there certainly "seems" to have been more raw Unity #1 GOLDs available in the wild since it's release than I've ever seen of the Shadowman #1 GOLD. But the Shadowman #1 GOLD is FAR more condition-sensitive, as well. Very, VERY tough to get this book, in general; and even more so in high grade. Just a real ball-buster!

Also, it's no secret we're all spread out over the U.S. (as well as the world), so finding these rare raws "can" be slightly easier to locate in a particular centralized local, than another; especially if their (initial) release was at a Con on the West Coast, as opposed to the East Coast, if you follow.

So, lastly, although I aggressively search the grid ALL over, as tough as the Unity #1 GOLD was to find (as well as garner a 9.8 on), the Shadowman #1 GOLD was a much, MUCH tougher beast for me to tame.

DirtbagSailor · Post by **DirtbagSailor** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:26 am

I bought 15 copies of Bloodshot: Reborn #1 (1:100 sketch variant); well, 16 copies of you count the copy I got from Paradise, and only pulled one 9.8 slab after all that.

There are likely 390-450 copies of this book, so based on that number, IF 100% of those copies were submitted for grading, only 24-28 CGC/CBCS 9.8's would likely ever exist.

That won't happen, so we will obviously be seeing less than that number.

Some books are just redidiculously hard to get in top-grade.

I believe I've owned 3 copies of Shadowman #1 (Gold) and each had at least one flaw that IMO would keep it from 9.8. Have one more copy inbound soon (hopefully) and will see if this is the one. Don't feel like submitting 16 Shadowman #1 (Gold) to get one 9.8; at that rate I almost might rather buy the 9.8 lol!

BloodShot · Post by **BloodShot** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:38 am

nycjadie wrote:Lol! You are VEI 9.8s!

(***Said in my best Andy Samberg impression doing his best Nick Cage impression:)

That's high praise

!!

nycjadie · Post by **nycjadie** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:51 am

A V1 9.8 is easier to get than a VEI 9.4, even though they are 25 years older. Yesterday, I went to a shop to pull Book of Death candidates, because my mail order books don't always come in top condition. Because of the covers, I got great copies. Fall of Bloodshot? I went through about 30 copies and none were in 9.6. None. It's been like that, and the shops by me don't usually order many, if at all. Q2? I can't find copies without spine splits. I bought a 1:10 9.8 variant for $50 last week. That was a steal.

I'm happy with a VEI 9.6. That is really hard for me to get. A 9.8 is really hard unless it is one of the premium covers.
It seems like the smaller the print Run, the harder it is to find good copies.

Therefore, my slab quest is 9.8 for V1 and Acclaim, and 9.6 for VEI.

CongoBill · Post by **CongoBill** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 8:39 pm

nycjadie wrote:A V1 9.8 is easier to get than a VEI 9.4, even though they are 25 years older. Yesterday, I went to a shop to pull Book of Death candidates, because my mail order books don't always come in top condition. Because of the covers, I got great copies. Fall of Bloodshot? I went through about 30 copies and none were in 9.6. None. It's been like that, and the shops by me don't usually order many, if at all. Q2? I can't find copies without spine splits. I bought a 1:10 9.8 variant for $50 last week. That was a steal.

I'm happy with a VEI 9.6. That is really hard for me to get. A 9.8 is really hard unless it is one of the premium covers.
It seems like the smaller the print Run, the harder it is to find good copies.

Therefore, my slab quest is 9.8 for V1 and Acclaim, and 9.6 for VEI.

What is Q2?

nycjadie · Post by **nycjadie** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 8:49 pm

Q2 is a Quantum and Woody book.

DirtbagSailor · Post by **DirtbagSailor** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:42 pm

A few number...

VEI Archer & Armstrong #1 (Gold)
24x CGC 9.8

VEI Archer & Armstrong #1 (1:100 Adams)
12x CGC 9.8
4x CGC 9.8 Signature Series

VEI Bloodshot: Reborn #1 (Gold)
2x CGC 9.8

VEI Bloodshot #1 (Gold)
7x CGC 9.8

VEI Bloodshot: Reborn #1 (1:100 Sketch)
1x CBCS 9.8

VEI Divinity #1 (1:40 LaRosa)
7x CGC 9.8
1x CBCS 9.9
1x CBCS 9.8 Validated Signature

VEI Eternal Warrior #1 (Gold)
7x CGC 9.8
1x CGC 9.8 Signature Series

VEI Eternal Warrior #5 (1:50 Mack)
1x CGC 9.8

VEI Harbinger #1 (Gold)
12x CGC 9.8
2x CGC 9.8 Signature Series

VEI Harbinger #1 (QR)
8x CGC 9.8

VEI Harbinger #8 (1:125 Lemire)
7x CGC 9.8
1x CGC 9.8 Signature Series

VEI Ninjak #1 (Gold)
3x CGC 9.8
1x CBCS 9.8 Signature Series

VEI Ninjak #1 (1:60 Sketch)
1x CGC 9.8

VEI Shadowman #1 (Gold)
4x CGC 9.8

VEI Shadowman #5 (1:125 Grandpa)
0x CGC 9.8

VEI Unity #1 (Gold)
7x CGC 9.8

VEI Quantum & Woody #1 (Gold)
12x CGC 9.8

VEI X-O Manowar #1 (Gold)
35x CGC 9.8

VEI X-O Manowar #1 (QR)
14x CGC 9.8

agent_graves · Post by **agent_graves** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 2:19 pm

Eternal Warrior #5 (Mack 1:50)
Harbinger #8 (Lemire 1:125 Line)
Divinity #1 (LaRosa 1:40) -- 1st Divinity

agent_graves · Post by **agent_graves** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 2:26 pm

jaden_sai wrote:
nycjadie wrote:Unity Gold is harder to find than Shadowman gold. It's always been the toughest, in my experience.
The reverse has been true for me, and now it's Ninjak Gold

I had a chance to snatch one up, it was in rough condition though, so I passed. The seller had a Bloodshot Reborn Gold, but that was in no better shape.

nycjadie · Post by **nycjadie** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 2:30 pm

DBS's numbers suggest, VERY generally, that it's becoming increasingly harder to pull a 9.8 on a limited book. I think that might be true.

drmirage · Post by **drmirage** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:13 pm

I agree with Elveen. " If I got a gold book for every time I've worn a Valiant shirt at a con where VEI has been I'd........ Have a lot of gold books."

Ramses818 · Post by **Ramses818** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:19 am

drmirage wrote:I agree with Elveen. " If I got a gold book for every time I've worn a Valiant shirt at a con where VEI has been I'd........ Have a lot of gold books."

x3

Ramses818 · Post by **Ramses818** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:14 am

And after reading the whole thread, I would like to nominate a book that no one else has so far. Of all the valiant books I've been collecting this was the hardest one to find and it's not even in mint condition....drum roll for effect....

Shadowman 13 Shane Davis variant. This was a 1:50 variant (Also first app. of Punk Mambo, new character) that was impossible to get is the series was getting bad reviews and people were not paying attention to it. I am noticing a little bit of a trend though the shuttle and books have been very hard to come by. Other than that I think the XO 15 error and of course the Shadowman retailer edition are the rarest VEI books. Eternal Warrior 5 Mack variant is my favorite though, and I told him so at SDCC!

DirtbagSailor · Post by **DirtbagSailor** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:17 am

agent_graves wrote:
jaden_sai wrote:
nycjadie wrote:Unity Gold is harder to find than Shadowman gold. It's always been the toughest, in my experience.
The reverse has been true for me, and now it's Ninjak Gold
I had a chance to snatch one up, it was in rough condition though, so I passed. The seller had a Bloodshot Reborn Gold, but that was in no better shape.

I've got a few BS:R #1(Gold) at CGC right now, and just found an extra raw copy (with several raw Eternal Warrior #1 (Gold)) in a long box this past week! Not sure how I missed it them, but

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:20 am

DirtbagSailor wrote:
agent_graves wrote:
jaden_sai wrote:
nycjadie wrote:Unity Gold is harder to find than Shadowman gold. It's always been the toughest, in my experience.
The reverse has been true for me, and now it's Ninjak Gold
I had a chance to snatch one up, it was in rough condition though, so I passed. The seller had a Bloodshot Reborn Gold, but that was in no better shape.
I've got a few BS:R #1(Gold) at CGC right now, and just found an extra raw copy (with several raw Eternal Warrior #1 (Gold)) in a long box this past week! Not sure how I missed it them, but

Nice long box.

Jace · Post by **Jace** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:41 am

My most desired is the Harbinger 0 1:25 gatefold by Mico Suyan. I never see that book anywhere except FeeBay once in awhile and the ones I have seen on there are always in rough shape.

nycjadie · Post by **nycjadie** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:42 am

Elveen wrote:
DirtbagSailor wrote:
agent_graves wrote:
jaden_sai wrote:
nycjadie wrote:Unity Gold is harder to find than Shadowman gold. It's always been the toughest, in my experience.
The reverse has been true for me, and now it's Ninjak Gold
I had a chance to snatch one up, it was in rough condition though, so I passed. The seller had a Bloodshot Reborn Gold, but that was in no better shape.
I've got a few BS:R #1(Gold) at CGC right now, and just found an extra raw copy (with several raw Eternal Warrior #1 (Gold)) in a long box this past week! Not sure how I missed it them, but
Nice long box.

CongoBill · Post by **CongoBill** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:20 pm

Ramses818 wrote:And after reading the whole thread, I would like to nominate a book that no one else has so far. Of all the valiant books I've been collecting this was the hardest one to find and it's not even in mint condition....drum roll for effect....

Shadowman 13 Shane Davis variant. This was a 1:50 variant (Also first app. of Punk Mambo, new character) that was impossible to get is the series was getting bad reviews and people were not paying attention to it. I am noticing a little bit of a trend though the shuttle and books have been very hard to come by. Other than that I think the XO 15 error and of course the Shadowman retailer edition are the rarest VEI books. Eternal Warrior 5 Mack variant is my favorite though, and I told him so at SDCC!

Agreed! Luckily I was hooked up with a copy of this by a fellow board member before I even knew how scarce it really is. That copy is currently at CGC getting slabbed.

CongoBill · Post by **CongoBill** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:25 pm

Jace wrote:My most desired is the Harbinger 0 1:25 gatefold by Mico Suyan. I never see that book anywhere except FeeBay once in awhile and the ones I have seen on there are always in rough shape.

I'm wasn't even aware of this one. Another one for the list!

BloodShot · Post by **BloodShot** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:34 pm

CongoBill wrote:
Ramses818 wrote:And after reading the whole thread, I would like to nominate a book that no one else has so far. Of all the valiant books I've been collecting this was the hardest one to find and it's not even in mint condition....drum roll for effect....

Shadowman 13 Shane Davis variant. This was a 1:50 variant (Also first app. of Punk Mambo, new character) that was impossible to get is the series was getting bad reviews and people were not paying attention to it. I am noticing a little bit of a trend though the shuttle and books have been very hard to come by. Other than that I think the XO 15 error and of course the Shadowman retailer edition are the rarest VEI books. Eternal Warrior 5 Mack variant is my favorite though, and I told him so at SDCC!

Agreed! Luckily I was hooked up with a copy of this by a fellow board member before I even knew how scarce it really is. That copy is currently at CGC getting slabbed.

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drmirage · Post by **drmirage** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:41 pm

Have a few copies of these.

Every book can be pre-ordered. After the release date, its all supply vs demand.

Jace wrote:My most desired is the Harbinger 0 1:25 gatefold by Mico Suyan. I never see that book anywhere except FeeBay once in awhile and the ones I have seen on there are always in rough shape.

possumgrease · Post by **possumgrease** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:58 pm

drmirage wrote:Have a few copies of these.

Thank you. What a generous offer! I will send you my address by PM.

drmirage · Post by **drmirage** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:00 pm

from the millionth poster

possumgrease wrote:
drmirage wrote:Have a few copies of these.
Thank you. What a generous offer! I will send you my address by PM.

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