Post-Schism DEFIANT/Gold Key/Broadway merged universe?

[Ryan]

As mentioned in the other thread:

Since the same company owns Defiant, Broadway, and the Gold Key characters I've often wondered what a shared universe with all those characters would look like.

What would it look like? That's an interesting question.

We don't know exactly what Defiant will look like after Schism, but we can assume some reality-shaking events take place. Would that be an opportunity to merge in some of the Gold Key/Broadway ect. characters? It's fun to think about.

I think of all those characters, the GK3 have the most name recognition and cultural cache. If I had to make an 8 book lineup of the strongest concepts from those universes, this is what I would do:

1. Plasm - There's never been one star character of Plasm, so it could be like a team book where bigger, universe shaking events happen. Like The Avengers of the 70s/80s.
2. Solar - Another universe-level character, tied to the events in Plasm.
3. Dark Dominion - Michael Alexander's post-Schism adventures.
4. Magnus - Continuing the GK/Pre-Unity version of the character, but affected by the events of Schism.
5. Turok - Same as Magnus
6. Fatale - Great strong female character, her continuing adventures.
7. Star Seed - The 'Superman' of Broadway
8. ??? - It seems like there needs to be a street-level character, like Shadowman. Maybe Defiant's Mongrel? He was only a concept character but maybe he was more developed behind the scenes. Cool design had a lot of potential.

Other good characters/concepts that could be developed further: Good Guys, Charlemagne, Knights on Broadway, Technomancers, Doctor Spektor, Brain Boy.

[ManofTheAtom]

It is certainly an interesting prospect I hope someone explores.

[ManofTheAtom]

You start with three titles, one from each universe.

Doctor Solar from Gold Key because it is the only one of the three set in the present (well, if you count Spektor there's four and that one would also be set in the present, but that is not as well known in the market as Solar). Solar represents the real-world science element of the merged universe.

Fatale from Broadway to have a lead female character. She represents the supernatural side of the merged universe.

Not sure what to get from Defiant. Maybe The Good Guys to represent magic or Charlemagne to represent a somewhat more grounded world.

[Ryan]

You start with three titles, one from each universe.

Doctor Solar from Gold Key because it is the only one of the three set in the present (well, if you count Spektor there's four and that one would also be set in the present, but that is not as well known in the market as Solar). Solar represents the real-world science element of the merged universe.

Fatale from Broadway to have a lead female character. She represents the supernatural side of the merged universe.

Not sure what to get from Defiant. Maybe The Good Guys to represent magic or Charlemagne to represent a somewhat more grounded world.

That's cool, good stuff.

Three titles is definitely a more realistic goal than eight, hehe. Solar and Fatale make perfect sense.

Dark Dominion might be good since its also set in the present and could tie in some of the larger Defiant universe stuff. Doctor Spektor would make a great guest star or co-star in Dark Dominion.

Good Guys fills the team book need, could be this universe's Harbinger. Brain Boy would fit in with them.

Charlemagne is like a modern day Magnus, he could be a Doc Savage-type.

fun to think about

[ManofTheAtom]

You start with three titles, one from each universe.

Doctor Solar from Gold Key because it is the only one of the three set in the present (well, if you count Spektor there's four and that one would also be set in the present, but that is not as well known in the market as Solar). Solar represents the real-world science element of the merged universe.

Fatale from Broadway to have a lead female character. She represents the supernatural side of the merged universe.

Not sure what to get from Defiant. Maybe The Good Guys to represent magic or Charlemagne to represent a somewhat more grounded world.

That's cool, good stuff.

Three titles is definitely a more realistic goal than eight, hehe. Solar and Fatale make perfect sense.

Dark Dominion might be good since its also set in the present and could tie in some of the larger Defiant universe stuff. Doctor Spektor would make a great guest star or co-star in Dark Dominion.

Good Guys fills the team book need, could be this universe's Harbinger. Brain Boy would fit in with them.

Charlemagne is like a modern day Magnus, he could be a Doc Savage-type.

fun to think about

I can see Dark Dominion as a spin-off of Fatale given the supernatural connection. Spektor definitely links them too.

Indeed, thematically and conceptually, Fatale (Broadway), Spektor (Gold Key), and Dark Dominion (Defiant) would make a great -- unity. They work as a sub-category within the larger universe.

Comparing Charlemagne to Magnus is cool. Now that needs a third from Broadway.

Then you have Good Guys from Defiant, Solar from Gold Key, and Shadow State/'till Death Does Us Part from Broadway as another category about real world people who are turned into comic book characters.

Warriors of Plasm from Defiant, Knights on Broadway from Broadway, and a third from Gold Key make another category.

And so on and so forth.

That would be the best starting point.

[ManofTheAtom]

Would Star Seed from Broadway go with Magnus and Charlemagne? Probably.

[magnusr]

Charlemagne is like a modern day Magnus

Charlemagne in Latin is Carolus Magnus, though Shooter has said that the similarity between the names is just a coincidence.

/Magnus

[ManofTheAtom]

Charlemagne is like a modern day Magnus

Charlemagne in Latin is Carolus Magnus, though Shooter has said that the similarity between the names is just a coincidence.

/Magnus

Ryan said that, not me, heh.

But that's cool, heh.

[1st Among Equals]

I think it would be fun to have multiple events happen at the same time similar to Y The Last Man leaving the reader question which event caused the expansion of powers in the universe. I would use the wish fulfillment plotline, mixed with the reactor meltdown, mixed with something happening in the world of Plasm.

Make Flex's father Phil Seleski who happens to be working at a power plant and is unsure what gave him god like powers.

Plasm could have a mix of beings in a place almost outside of time (along the lines of X-O on the spider aliens ship). Turok could be someone who had been brought to Plasm and wished to be home. Fighting with the warriors of Plasm to escape.

Magnus could be in Plasm as well from the future (assuming Plasm is further into the future than present day), wishing for the power to save his world from the growing Ai. He could be the replacement of the Rick (Caution) with maybe Leeja being the replacement for Prudence.

The rest of Defiant and Broadway could be similar as their original stories explained by the event. Maybe mix Fatale into being Flex on the Good Guys team?

Just spit balling here .

[Ryan]

I can see Dark Dominion as a spin-off of Fatale given the supernatural connection. Spektor definitely links them too.

Indeed, thematically and conceptually, Fatale (Broadway), Spektor (Gold Key), and Dark Dominion (Defiant) would make a great -- unity. They work as a sub-category within the larger universe.

Comparing Charlemagne to Magnus is cool. Now that needs a third from Broadway.

Then you have Good Guys from Defiant, Solar from Gold Key, and Shadow State/'till Death Does Us Part from Broadway as another category about real world people who are turned into comic book characters.

Warriors of Plasm from Defiant, Knights on Broadway from Broadway, and a third from Gold Key make another category.

And so on and so forth.

That would be the best starting point.

Yeah Fatale has the occult background, fits perfectly with Dr Spektor and DD. I can't remember if they ever revealed all of her origin or not. I think the Fatale #0 script was up on Shooter's site and maybe there were some finished pages done for it that were floating around? Can't remember.

Those are some very cool connections, I hadn't thought of how similar Good Guys, Solar, and Till Death Do Us Part were.

Would Star Seed from Broadway go with Magnus and Charlemagne? Probably.

I think so.

[Ryan]

Charlemagne in Latin is Carolus Magnus, though Shooter has said that the similarity between the names is just a coincidence.

Nice. Doesn't Magnus mean Great or 'the Great one'? I had a Great-grandpa named Magnus. Danish

[Ryan]

I think it would be fun to have multiple events happen at the same time similar to Y The Last Man leaving the reader question which event caused the expansion of powers in the universe. I would use the wish fulfillment plotline, mixed with the reactor meltdown, mixed with something happening in the world of Plasm.

Make Flex's father Phil Seleski who happens to be working at a power plant and is unsure what gave him god like powers.

Plasm could have a mix of beings in a place almost outside of time (along the lines of X-O on the spider aliens ship). Turok could be someone who had been brought to Plasm and wished to be home. Fighting with the warriors of Plasm to escape.

Magnus could be in Plasm as well from the future (assuming Plasm is further into the future than present day), wishing for the power to save his world from the growing Ai. He could be the replacement of the Rick (Caution) with maybe Leeja being the replacement for Prudence.

The rest of Defiant and Broadway could be similar as their original stories explained by the event. Maybe mix Fatale into being Flex on the Good Guys team?

Just spit balling here .

That's a cool idea, using Plasm basically how Valiant used the Lost Land, as a way to unite the characters from the times.

Having the rights to Turok would also grant the rights for the Lost Land, although I think it was called the Lost Valley in the GK comics. There's actually some cool Lost Land stuff from the first few Turok video games that might fit in well with Plasm and Schism, and whatever we're calling this merged universe.

I need to re-read Defiant

[Cyberstrike]

Charlemagne in Latin is Carolus Magnus, though Shooter has said that the similarity between the names is just a coincidence.

Nice. Doesn't Magnus mean Great or 'the Great one'? I had a Great-grandpa named Magnus. Danish

It's actually name of the first Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire the first man who unified a good chunk Central and Eastern Europe.

[Cyberstrike]

I think it would be fun to have multiple events happen at the same time similar to Y The Last Man leaving the reader question which event caused the expansion of powers in the universe. I would use the wish fulfillment plotline, mixed with the reactor meltdown, mixed with something happening in the world of Plasm.

Make Flex's father Phil Seleski who happens to be working at a power plant and is unsure what gave him god like powers.

Plasm could have a mix of beings in a place almost outside of time (along the lines of X-O on the spider aliens ship). Turok could be someone who had been brought to Plasm and wished to be home. Fighting with the warriors of Plasm to escape.

Magnus could be in Plasm as well from the future (assuming Plasm is further into the future than present day), wishing for the power to save his world from the growing Ai. He could be the replacement of the Rick (Caution) with maybe Leeja being the replacement for Prudence.

The rest of Defiant and Broadway could be similar as their original stories explained by the event. Maybe mix Fatale into being Flex on the Good Guys team?

Just spit balling here .

That's a cool idea, using Plasm basically how Valiant used the Lost Land, as a way to unite the characters from the times.

Having the rights to Turok would also grant the rights for the Lost Land, although I think it was called the Lost Valley in the GK comics. There's actually some cool Lost Land stuff from the first few Turok video games that might fit in well with Plasm and Schism, and whatever we're calling this merged universe.

I need to re-read Defiant

Plasm isn't a lost land, it's world where everything is alive, the homes and buildings, from the cloths people wear, the weapons and armor they use, the tech they use, the ball they use in their favorite pastime Spatterball. When someone or something dies, they get mulched and recycled but they lose all their memories and feelings. And individuality is considered a crime. When Lorca falls in love for individualist revolutionary he forced to choose and he choice after she is murdered and decides not to resurrect her to respect her individual feelings, he kidnaps people from Earth because we are a race of individuals but the transfer kills most and a few survive and are gifted special weapons and powers and become the Warriors of Plasm.

Lorca can only pull people from the present day he can't pull people from the past or the future.

I'm not sure GK could work with Defiant and Broadway (those two could work there was an unpublished story that was basically a Fatale/Dark Dominion crossover Christmas story) Fatale was basically Rouge from the X-Men only she could retain the powers and memories for a certain amount of time.

[ManofTheAtom]

I can see Dark Dominion as a spin-off of Fatale given the supernatural connection. Spektor definitely links them too.

Indeed, thematically and conceptually, Fatale (Broadway), Spektor (Gold Key), and Dark Dominion (Defiant) would make a great -- unity. They work as a sub-category within the larger universe.

Comparing Charlemagne to Magnus is cool. Now that needs a third from Broadway.

Then you have Good Guys from Defiant, Solar from Gold Key, and Shadow State/'till Death Does Us Part from Broadway as another category about real world people who are turned into comic book characters.

Warriors of Plasm from Defiant, Knights on Broadway from Broadway, and a third from Gold Key make another category.

And so on and so forth.

That would be the best starting point.

Yeah Fatale has the occult background, fits perfectly with Dr Spektor and DD. I can't remember if they ever revealed all of her origin or not. I think the Fatale #0 script was up on Shooter's site and maybe there were some finished pages done for it that were floating around? Can't remember.

Those are some very cool connections, I hadn't thought of how similar Good Guys, Solar, and Till Death Do Us Part were.

Would Star Seed from Broadway go with Magnus and Charlemagne? Probably.

I think so.

I downloaded the Fatale #0 script and pages way back when. I may have them on this PC, the other one, or a CD. Can't remember.

I gave it all to Defiant1 and he posted it on his website.

[ManofTheAtom]

Plasm sounds more like Unreality.

[Ryan]

Plasm isn't a lost land, it's world where everything is alive, the homes and buildings, from the cloths people wear, the weapons and armor they use, the tech they use, the ball they use in their favorite pastime Spatterball. When someone or something dies, they get mulched and recycled but they lose all their memories and feelings. And individuality is considered a crime. When Lorca falls in love for individualist revolutionary he forced to choose and he choice after she is murdered and decides not to resurrect her to respect her individual feelings, he kidnaps people from Earth because we are a race of individuals but the transfer kills most and a few survive and are gifted special weapons and powers and become the Warriors of Plasm.

Lorca can only pull people from the present day he can't pull people from the past or the future.

I'm not sure GK could work with Defiant and Broadway (those two could work there was an unpublished story that was basically a Fatale/Dark Dominion crossover Christmas story) Fatale was basically Rouge from the X-Men only she could retain the powers and memories for a certain amount of time.

Ah totally, I couldn't remember how people crossed over from Earth to Plasm, and how time worked there. So time basically passed 1:1, Earth time and Plasm time was the same, because Plasm was functionally the imagination/dreamland of Earth? Like I said, I gotta re-read those.

I think Solar could work, since he's proven he can cross dimensions/realities. I know that was the Valiant version, but it wouldn't be a stretch to apply those powers to the GK version. It will be interesting to see what effects Schism will have on the Defiant universe. I know there's been a script floating around for decades but I don't remember if I ever read all of it.

Fatale/Dark Dominion Christmas story? Whoa that's cool, I don't remember ever hearing about that.

[Ryan]

I downloaded the Fatale #0 script and pages way back when. I may have them on this PC, the other one, or a CD. Can't remember.

I gave it all to Defiant1 and he posted it on his website.

The Fatale 0 script is still on Shooter's website in the Downloads section. I found 2 inked pages online, don't know if there's more.

Plasm sounds more like Unreality.

[magnusr]

Ryan said that, not me, heh.

Oops, fixed.

/Magnus

[ManofTheAtom]

I downloaded the Fatale #0 script and pages way back when. I may have them on this PC, the other one, or a CD. Can't remember.

I gave it all to Defiant1 and he posted it on his website.

The Fatale 0 script is still on Shooter's website in the Downloads section. I found 2 inked pages online, don't know if there's more.

Plasm sounds more like Unreality.

I saved a ton of pages from the Fatale story, just not sure where I have them.

[magnusr]

Nice. Doesn't Magnus mean Great or 'the Great one'? I had a Great-grandpa named Magnus. Danish

Exactly. Like Charles the Great. Cool that you have it in your family.

/Magnus

[magnusr]

It's actually name of the first Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire the first man who unified a good chunk Central and Eastern Europe.

/Magnus

[ManofTheAtom]

I downloaded the Fatale #0 script and pages way back when. I may have them on this PC, the other one, or a CD. Can't remember.

I gave it all to Defiant1 and he posted it on his website.

The Fatale 0 script is still on Shooter's website in the Downloads section. I found 2 inked pages online, don't know if there's more.

Plasm sounds more like Unreality.

https://www.shooterswork.com/mirror/Fat ... 01_02.html

[ManofTheAtom]

http://comics.vforums.co.uk/Broadway/31 ... iginal-art

[1st Among Equals]

I think it would be fun to have multiple events happen at the same time similar to Y The Last Man leaving the reader question which event caused the expansion of powers in the universe. I would use the wish fulfillment plotline, mixed with the reactor meltdown, mixed with something happening in the world of Plasm.

Make Flex's father Phil Seleski who happens to be working at a power plant and is unsure what gave him god like powers.

Plasm could have a mix of beings in a place almost outside of time (along the lines of X-O on the spider aliens ship). Turok could be someone who had been brought to Plasm and wished to be home. Fighting with the warriors of Plasm to escape.

Magnus could be in Plasm as well from the future (assuming Plasm is further into the future than present day), wishing for the power to save his world from the growing Ai. He could be the replacement of the Rick (Caution) with maybe Leeja being the replacement for Prudence.

The rest of Defiant and Broadway could be similar as their original stories explained by the event. Maybe mix Fatale into being Flex on the Good Guys team?

Just spit balling here .

That's a cool idea, using Plasm basically how Valiant used the Lost Land, as a way to unite the characters from the times.

Having the rights to Turok would also grant the rights for the Lost Land, although I think it was called the Lost Valley in the GK comics. There's actually some cool Lost Land stuff from the first few Turok video games that might fit in well with Plasm and Schism, and whatever we're calling this merged universe.

I need to re-read Defiant

Plasm isn't a lost land, it's world where everything is alive, the homes and buildings, from the cloths people wear, the weapons and armor they use, the tech they use, the ball they use in their favorite pastime Spatterball. When someone or something dies, they get mulched and recycled but they lose all their memories and feelings. And individuality is considered a crime. When Lorca falls in love for individualist revolutionary he forced to choose and he choice after she is murdered and decides not to resurrect her to respect her individual feelings, he kidnaps people from Earth because we are a race of individuals but the transfer kills most and a few survive and are gifted special weapons and powers and become the Warriors of Plasm.

Lorca can only pull people from the present day he can't pull people from the past or the future.

I'm not sure GK could work with Defiant and Broadway (those two could work there was an unpublished story that was basically a Fatale/Dark Dominion crossover Christmas story) Fatale was basically Rouge from the X-Men only she could retain the powers and memories for a certain amount of time.

Yeah it was less of trying to keep each universe firm with their original stories, and more so figuring out how they could cross mingle. Plasm to me just made sense as a time/reality connector.