DARK ADVENTURE CON RED CROSS DELUX PRINT SET

Rufusharley · Post by **Rufusharley** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:07 am

http://cgi.ebay.com/Valiant-Dark-Advent ... m153.l1262

I've only seen one other one for sale in the last 2 years. I got #2 of the deluxe set.

more info here
http://www.valiantcomics.com/valiant/va ... .asp?id=50

some discrepancy on how much it was originally sold for and if there were
only 10 deluxe sets or 25. I'm guessing 25 because i know people here who have numbers higher than 10 on the deluxe set's.

Smashey · Post by **Smashey** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:36 am

I saw that. That ebay seller is the one who made them. I cant justify paying $450 for some stuff a LCS put together. He also has other stuff for sale that he made like black and white posters, programs etc.

My question is if these sets were sold for charity, how he still has them, and why he is selling them to put the money in his pocket.

Smashey · Post by **Smashey** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:37 am

I'm guessing 25 because i know people here who have numbers higher than 10 on the deluxe set's.

It says in his auction its limited to 10 sets. He is the one who made them. If members have them higher than 10 i smell something really fishy.

geocarr · Post by **geocarr** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:41 am

Well Rufus, since you're the only person I know who has one, do you mind sharing what you gave for yours? What do you think a fair price is now for one? I can't see $450 but it is a unique item for the completist.

ckb · Post by **ckb** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:07 am

I just sent this to Lon:

As one of the original purchasers of these sets from the offering in CBG in the early 90's, I wanted to state that my color set with HC 0 Gold is numbered out of 25, not out of 10. I could probably dig up the CBG ad which also says the deluxe edition is limited to 25. Please explain the discrepency.

We will see what he says.

We know he has been taking "leftovers" of the non-color prints and selling them a-la-carte. If he is "manufacturing" color sets as well, I would not be a happy camper.

ckb · Post by **ckb** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:11 am

geocarr wrote:Well Rufus, since you're the only person I know who has one, do you mind sharing what you gave for yours? What do you think a fair price is now for one? I can't see $450 but it is a unique item for the completist.

In order for the thing to have any meaning at all, IMO, it has toi have been part of the original 1993 offering. I detailed the purchase of my set for Greg in misc items section...

http://www.valiantcomics.com/valiant/va ... .asp?id=50

I have never seen a complete deluxe set in the original gold-sealed envelope for sale on the open market. I believe the original price was in the $300 range.

Fanboy375 · Post by **Fanboy375** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:13 am

ckb wrote:
geocarr wrote:Well Rufus, since you're the only person I know who has one, do you mind sharing what you gave for yours? What do you think a fair price is now for one? I can't see $450 but it is a unique item for the completist.

In order for the thing to have any meaning at all, IMO, it has toi have been part of the original 1993 offering. I detailed the purchase of my set for Greg in misc items section...

http://www.valiantcomics.com/valiant/va ... .asp?id=50

I have never seen a complete deluxe set in the original gold-sealed envelope for sale on the open market. I believe the original price was in the $300 range.

I hear geocarr clicking the buy-it-now button. LOL

ckb · Post by **ckb** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:26 am

Fanboy375 wrote:
ckb wrote:
geocarr wrote:Well Rufus, since you're the only person I know who has one, do you mind sharing what you gave for yours? What do you think a fair price is now for one? I can't see $450 but it is a unique item for the completist.

In order for the thing to have any meaning at all, IMO, it has toi have been part of the original 1993 offering. I detailed the purchase of my set for Greg in misc items section...

http://www.valiantcomics.com/valiant/va ... .asp?id=50

I have never seen a complete deluxe set in the original gold-sealed envelope for sale on the open market. I believe the original price was in the $300 range.
I hear geocarr clicking the buy-it-now button. LOL

We should find out what the heck is being sold first. While I've never seen an open market sale, I believe there have been a few private sales of "real" original deluxe sets.

mrwoogieman · Post by **mrwoogieman** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:37 am

The auction description seems to be saying that the first 10 out of the 100 sets were "deluxe". Why would the first 10 of the regular edition be deluxe versions when there was a separate set of 25 deluxe editions sold at the same time? So, there are two deluxe editions, one containing 10 sets and one containing 25? That makes no sense.

ckb · Post by **ckb** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:50 am

mrwoogieman wrote:The auction description seems to be saying that the first 10 out of the 100 sets were "deluxe". Why would the first 10 of the regular edition be deluxe versions when there was a separate set of 25 deluxe editions sold at the same time? So, there are two deluxe editions, one containing 10 sets and one containing 25? That makes no sense.

Ugh, you know, when you read stuff it really makes a difference. As Woog points out, sets 1-10 of the non-deluxe sets are actually "special". This is confirmed by the original letter describing my non-deluxe set seen here:

Just adds to the mystique around these sets - the whole thing was a big *SQUEE*. Deluxe non-deluxe sets? Really? Nothing happened as expected for the whole operation.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:20 am

Its just way too much for something a LCS made. Way too much.

I would like to own almost everything related to Valiant at some point, but items like this can wait 50years or until never.

just my 2c

Ian

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:46 am

ckb wrote:I just sent this to Lon:

As one of the original purchasers of these sets from the offering in CBG in the early 90's, I wanted to state that my color set with HC 0 Gold is numbered out of 25, not out of 10. I could probably dig up the CBG ad which also says the deluxe edition is limited to 25. Please explain the discrepency.
We will see what he says.

We know he has been taking "leftovers" of the non-color prints and selling them a-la-carte. If he is "manufacturing" color sets as well, I would not be a happy camper.

Wish I knew this before I purchased this from him.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Valiant-Capital-Cit ... dZViewItem

geocarr · Post by **geocarr** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:20 pm

Fanboy375 wrote: I hear geocarr clicking the buy-it-now button. LOL

Not on this one. Too suspect... and way too high it seems...
Thanks to everyone who has contributed historical and seller knowledge about these print sets to educate us noobs.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:25 pm

If it is a legit set then the price is not that bad considering how rare they are.

geocarr · Post by **geocarr** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:28 pm

jedimarley wrote:If it is a legit set then the price is not that bad considering how rare they are.

Have at it mon, the BIN button is all yours!!

ckb · Post by **ckb** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:43 pm

jedimarley wrote:
ckb wrote:I just sent this to Lon:

As one of the original purchasers of these sets from the offering in CBG in the early 90's, I wanted to state that my color set with HC 0 Gold is numbered out of 25, not out of 10. I could probably dig up the CBG ad which also says the deluxe edition is limited to 25. Please explain the discrepency.
We will see what he says.

We know he has been taking "leftovers" of the non-color prints and selling them a-la-carte. If he is "manufacturing" color sets as well, I would not be a happy camper.
Wish I knew this before I purchased this from him.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Valiant-Capital-Cit ... dZViewItem

That's actually a different print set. This appears to be a partial Capital Unity set. You should take an inventory of which prints you got and compare it with someone who has a complete opened set in envelope.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:44 pm

geocarr wrote:
jedimarley wrote:If it is a legit set then the price is not that bad considering how rare they are.
Have at it mon, the BIN button is all yours!!

Have one already. #18

ckb · Post by **ckb** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:49 pm

geocarr wrote:
jedimarley wrote:If it is a legit set then the price is not that bad considering how rare they are.
Have at it mon, the BIN button is all yours!!

I'm with ya. It seems like #1-10 of the regular group of 100 is the real deal - it has everything each other set type has and more.

It is strange that Lon is dragging out #2/10/100 15 years later. Like I said earlier, it may be that the whole Red Cross thing at the con was a complete bust and the stuff got shelved. So, I'm sure it's the real #2 of 10 of 100 set. The color Valiant prints are really cool. Do the autographs add anything? $450? I'd say you'd never find another one, except maybe #3-#10 are also unsold in the Dark Adventure pile.

ckb · Post by **ckb** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:50 pm

jedimarley wrote:
geocarr wrote:
jedimarley wrote:If it is a legit set then the price is not that bad considering how rare they are.
Have at it mon, the BIN button is all yours!!
Have one already. #18

The force is strong with this one....

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:35 pm

I have set #17.

I've gone through all this with Lon before. There are 25 deluxe sets. The first 10 of the 25 came with the non-Valiant autographed pics. That's the differentiation he's trying to make. So, unless non-Valiant autographed pics made out to another person are important to you then any of the first 25 sets should have the same value for you. To me, this is one of the coolest Valiant items ever made.

~Pete

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:13 pm

And now everyone sees the value of historians...

ckb · Post by **ckb** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:42 pm

Zero wrote:I have set #17.

I've gone through all this with Lon before. There are 25 deluxe sets. The first 10 of the 25 came with the non-Valiant autographed pics. That's the differentiation he's trying to make. So, unless non-Valiant autographed pics made out to another person are important to you then any of the first 25 sets should have the same value for you. To me, this is one of the coolest Valiant items ever made. ~Pete

Actually, the verbage we are seeing from Lon and the text of the letter from my non-deluxe set says that the first 10 of the non-deluxe 100 have the colored prints, H0 gold, and the non-Valiant autographed pics.

There's nothing I can see anywhere about the first 10 sets of the 25 deluxe sets having anything special with them.

mrwoogieman · Post by **mrwoogieman** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:50 pm

ckb wrote:There's nothing I can see anywhere about the first 10 sets of the 25 deluxe sets having anything special with them.

He's saving that for the next round of auctions; the "super-duper, more-rarer-and-exclusiver-than-ever" edition.

Rufusharley · Post by **Rufusharley** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:22 pm

The coloring done on these is hand done and of the pictures of the colored sets i've seen, each one is slightly different. I don't believe he's manufacturing new colored sets. When you consider all the 'other' stuff included in the set it would be hard. I even think the black and white print sets are cool. I'd almost rather hang them on the wall.

However you look at it these hardly ever come up. It is a lot of mula, but then again there's the hand coloring and there's only 25 sets of 'em. I agree with Zero, it's one of the coolest items i have.

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:02 pm

ckb wrote:
Zero wrote:I have set #17.

I've gone through all this with Lon before. There are 25 deluxe sets. The first 10 of the 25 came with the non-Valiant autographed pics. That's the differentiation he's trying to make. So, unless non-Valiant autographed pics made out to another person are important to you then any of the first 25 sets should have the same value for you. To me, this is one of the coolest Valiant items ever made. ~Pete
Actually, the verbage we are seeing from Lon and the text of the letter from my non-deluxe set says that the first 10 of the non-deluxe 100 have the colored prints, H0 gold, and the non-Valiant autographed pics.

There's nothing I can see anywhere about the first 10 sets of the 25 deluxe sets having anything special with them.

I need to check, but I believe my sheet reads a little different.

I have a deluxe, a "artist proof" set, & a non-deluxe set. The deluxe & non-deluxe sets were purchased from a guy on the original board several years before Dark Adventure rereleased them. He bought them at the con. The proof set I bought from Dark Adventure a couple years ago. I'll check my sheets to see how they read.