check this out. CF books for sale on ebay

dbostejano · Post by **dbostejano** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:57 am

ckb wrote: If you are someone attached to the board, its members and enjoy hearing Knight's stories and news about Alyssa and their fight against CF, this auction is for you.

This sums it up beautifully for me. Thanks ckb.

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:01 pm

Zero wrote:I know who usually gets that #, but...

I've been trying to get #1 as often as I can on the projects, but it sure isn't me...

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:06 pm

x-omatic wrote:Brother J ahd number 1 for a long time. Don't know if these are his though.

nope, not me.

I've got 41/50 on this one.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:52 pm

PeteCole333 wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:This is my favorite part of the auctions:

"I can not afford to donate it all but I will be making a donation of 25% of the proceeds from my three Cystic Fibrosis auctions to the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation."

The seller "can not afford" to donate the money they are going to get for these...even though it's found money to begin with, and they did nothing to earn it.

"I can't afford to donate the massive profit I stand to make. I can't afford to donate the money that isn't really mine to begin with."

That's not fair at all. He paid his money for these books years ago when he was collecting Valiant. Now he's no longer collecting, so he's giving other Valiant fans that are more interested in owning this than he is the opportunity to do just that, own a unique Valiant collectable.

What would you rather he do? Let it sit in a box in his room collecting dust? Or because he's no longer interested in it, perhaps he should just give it away to someone else? He doesn't need to donate ANY of the profits to CF, but he is. Who are you to say that he's not donating enough of the profits? That's not fair.

He's my brother, so I'm obviously going to be prone to defend him. But I don't think that detracts from the points I'm trying to make.

If he bought them all from eBay, then I stand corrected. He paid fair market price for them, and can sell them for whatever he wants.

You'll forgive my ignorance, because obviously the vast, vast majority of these books were bought from the boards at cost, not FMV.

My suggestion, however, is that your brother ACKNOWLEDGE that he bought all of these from eBay, since he clearly knows where they originally came from.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:01 pm

ckb wrote:When I divested myself of (nearly) all my project books because of the board attitude about them, this was the hardest one to let go.

How ironic.

I got rid of (nearly) all my projects books because of the same exact reason.

The difference, of course, is the manner in which this occurred......

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:02 pm

ckb wrote:
Rubiks-Q-Bert wrote: You know someone is going to make the argument "They paid for them. They can do what they want with them".

Yes, they can.

Sure, if they paid FMV for them.

worldsbestcomics · Post by **worldsbestcomics** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:47 pm

I posted some bids. I don't have the Yearbook project or the Bloodshot 26 project and the Ninjak project would make a great board auction the next time knightt is raising funds for CF.

Phantom · Post by **Phantom** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:49 pm

I was never surprised before as it was quite rare that these books came up for sale.

It just seems its happening alot more recently.

As for your brother, at least some is going to CF. Shame he just didn't give them to you

if you are still keen on valiant.

Just my thoughts

PeteCole333 · Post by **PeteCole333** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:19 pm

Yeah, I would love to have them. But, when he states in his auction that he can't afford to donate more than 25% to CF, that's because he can't. Without getting too deep into his business, I'll just say that he's not exactly overflowing with cash. (I know, who is right?). But, the point is, I know he could use the money, which was why I didn't want to lowball him on the price, and I certainly didn't expect, or think it would fair, for him to just hand them over to me for free.

And just a note on the selling of these books in general:

Many on these boards seem to miss the basic financial idea that 25% to CF is a lot more than 0%!!! There's no reason to be sad at the sale of these books. Those in favor of supporting CF should hope that all these books sell, then resell, then resell, ... and so on. If each sale brings CF another 25% of the final sale price, then they're making out a whole lot better the more these books sell.

So, why the frowning faces, or sad talk of how things used to be so much better back in the days when these books would never be found on Ebay? Doesn't make sense to me.

A sale such as this has ONLY positives. My brother gets the money he needs. CF gets a donation. And a lucky Valiant fan or two gets to own a very rare and special board project comic that they may have never before had the opportunity to own. It's ALL good.

greg · Post by **greg** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:21 pm

In this particular case, we've got books that originally went 100% to CF,
far above the initial fundraiser price because Knightt auctioned them on eBay.

So, these particular books have raised the MOST money for CF for each project.

These same books which already have raised the MOST money for CF
are now adding another 25% to that total.

Sounds like a winner to me.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:33 pm

All sounds great to me, just a shame i cant afford the pretty things.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:38 pm

Draco wrote:All sounds great to me, just a shame i cant afford the pretty things.

That sums up my basic thoughts on this.

-slym

Drift · Post by **Drift** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:50 pm

The general consensus from people in the VF fraternity seems to be, making money from something done in the spirit of fellowship is bad.

There are people out there though that want to be in on it so bad they will pay to get in. Doesn't paying over what the seller payed originally, especially if some of the money is going to a great cause like CF, show a commitment greater than that of the original member to that spirit? Wouldn't someone who wants it so much that they would spend big bucks to be part of something be better and more worthy than someone trying to cash in? Even though there are regular board projects that they can take part in, they show how much they want to be part of the spirit of the board and its fraternity by paying that bit extra to keep it in the family and be part of something.

dbostejano · Post by **dbostejano** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:54 pm

Drift wrote:The general consensus from people in the VF fraternity seems to be, making money from something done in the spirit of fellowship is bad.

There are people out there though that want to be in on it so bad they will pay to get in. Doesn't paying over what the seller payed originally, especially if some of the money is going to a great cause like CF, show a commitment greater than that of the original member to that spirit? Wouldn't someone who wants it so much that they would spend big bucks to be part of something be better and more worthy than someone trying to cash in? Even though there are regular board projects that they can take part in, they show how much they want to be part of the spirit of the board and its fraternity by paying that bit extra to keep it in the family and be part of something.

greg · Post by **greg** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:58 pm

Drift wrote:The general consensus from people in the VF fraternity seems to be, making money from something done in the spirit of fellowship is bad.

There are people out there though that want to be in on it so bad they will pay to get in. Doesn't paying over what the seller payed originally, especially if some of the money is going to a great cause like CF, show a commitment greater than that of the original member to that spirit? Wouldn't someone who wants it so much that they would spend big bucks to be part of something be better and more worthy than someone trying to cash in? Even though there are regular board projects that they can take part in, they show how much they want to be part of the spirit of the board and its fraternity by paying that bit extra to keep it in the family and be part of something.

I think these points are agreed...

The problem arises when someone is "in" on a project, part of the community,
and then "cashes in" on their status in the transfer of the book to someone else.

When someone new decides to pay "big money" to get a project,
they are demonstrating a strong commitment to the community.
I don't think they (the new buyers) are being "blamed" for anything negative.

It's the seller who only pays a "token cost" to get a project during sign up
who then decides that they can "cash in" on the community's strength
that is negatively viewed because they're essentially saying,
"Thanks guys for being a great group, look how much money you made for me!"

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:32 pm

PeteCole333 wrote:Yeah, I would love to have them. But, when he states in his auction that he can't afford to donate more than 25% to CF, that's because he can't. Without getting too deep into his business, I'll just say that he's not exactly overflowing with cash. (I know, who is right?). But, the point is, I know he could use the money, which was why I didn't want to lowball him on the price, and I certainly didn't expect, or think it would fair, for him to just hand them over to me for free.

And just a note on the selling of these books in general:

Many on these boards seem to miss the basic financial idea that 25% to CF is a lot more than 0%!!! There's no reason to be sad at the sale of these books. Those in favor of supporting CF should hope that all these books sell, then resell, then resell, ... and so on. If each sale brings CF another 25% of the final sale price, then they're making out a whole lot better the more these books sell.

So, why the frowning faces, or sad talk of how things used to be so much better back in the days when these books would never be found on Ebay? Doesn't make sense to me.

Because people (myself included) didn't know that these were the original eBay-sold copies to begin with, and that yet another person was "cashing out" when they paid very little originally. That's not the case here. I think, now that that's been cleared up, that there hasn't been a further issue.

My apologies for my part in the confusion.

A sale such as this has ONLY positives. My brother gets the money he needs. CF gets a donation. And a lucky Valiant fan or two gets to own a very rare and special board project comic that they may have never before had the opportunity to own. It's ALL good.

It is, indeed!

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:42 pm

Drift wrote:The general consensus from people in the VF fraternity seems to be, making money from something done in the spirit of fellowship is bad.

There are people out there though that want to be in on it so bad they will pay to get in. Doesn't paying over what the seller payed originally, especially if some of the money is going to a great cause like CF, show a commitment greater than that of the original member to that spirit?

No. $$$ spent does not = commitment. Had these projects been offered for FMV each and every time, they likely never would have gone past the first one. The price spent, whether it was $20, $35, or $400 means nothing about the commitment of a member to the board.

Those things are measured in things like contribution of time, willingness to help and be involved, etc.

If you spend $400 on a project, but never post a single post, by definition, you aren't part of the community. You're looking through the window from the outside. And that's kinda creepy.

Wouldn't someone who wants it so much that they would spend big bucks to be part of something be better and more worthy than someone trying to cash in?

Absolutely. People who cash in, in my opinion, are not the most noble of creatures.

Even though there are regular board projects that they can take part in, they show how much they want to be part of the spirit of the board and its fraternity by paying that bit extra to keep it in the family and be part of something.

There's a slight issue with this: after all, if you weren't around for a project initially, how much is that project going to mean?

Let's face it...if you weren't around for Justin, or the VK VCB debacle, or Bob Layton's Magnus #0 offer, the 2005 SD get together, or any of the myriad things that this board has been through, good AND bad...how is a project from that time period going to mean as much to you as to the people who were there?

Now, there's nothing wrong with wanting to capture that spirit, no, not at all...it's why most of us collect comics older than ourselves, I imagine....but, in all fairness, the people who were actually ON the Titanic have the experience to talk about it...not the people who pay $50,000 for a life jacket AS COOL AS HAVING THAT ARTIFACT MAY BE.

Drift · Post by **Drift** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:09 pm

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:No. $$$ spent does not = commitment. Had these projects been offered for FMV each and every time, they likely never would have gone past the first one. The price spent, whether it was $20, $35, or $400 means nothing about the commitment of a member to the board.

Maybe I worded it badly but in the same way the comic itself symbolises the spirit and fraternity of the board, I meant the actual going out of the way to buy it and keep it in the family as it were, symbolises, in itself, how badly they want to be part of the brotherhood.

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:Those things are measured in things like contribution of time, willingness to help and be involved, etc.

This is why I personally see myself as part of the group. I want to be here and get involved and will do whatever I can to help even though I can't afford to spend the big bucks on any book let alone a previous project. It is my willingness to do so that matters.

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:If you spend $400 on a project, but never post a single post, by definition, you aren't part of the community. You're looking through the window from the outside. And that's kinda creepy.

Yeah I didn't mention this kind of person because they are to creepy even for me. I may lurk at times but that is only because I don't feel I have anything to add to what is going on at the time.

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:Absolutely. People who cash in, in my opinion, are not the most noble of creatures.

This is true. That is why I tried to make my point from the outside looking in and not from an owner looking to cash in point of view.

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:There's a slight issue with this: after all, if you weren't around for a project initially, how much is that project going to mean?

Let's face it...if you weren't around for Justin, or the VK VCB debacle, or Bob Layton's Magnus #0 offer, the 2005 SD get together, or any of the myriad things that this board has been through, good AND bad...how is a project from that time period going to mean as much to you as to the people who were there?

Again my point is not from an "It means that much to me on a personal level" perspective it is from the point of view that "I want to show these people who mean a lot to me, that I acknowledge how much this means to them so will go out of my way to keep it in house and I get to own a super-cool book on top as a secret bonus point."

Our last discussion on the subject got me thinking and I can see that people wanting to sell something that means a lot to the group but not as much to them might wound those left on the inside but for a little guy like me who is outside wanting to be part of something, is them selling it such a bad thing if it means I have a chance?

PeteCole333 · Post by **PeteCole333** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:10 am

A sale such as this has ONLY positives. My brother gets the money he needs. CF gets a donation. And a lucky Valiant fan or two gets to own a very rare and special board project comic that they may have never before had the opportunity to own. It's ALL good.
It is, indeed!

robb77 · Post by **robb77** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:37 pm

PeteCole333 wrote:
A sale such as this has ONLY positives. My brother gets the money he needs. CF gets a donation. And a lucky Valiant fan or two gets to own a very rare and special board project comic that they may have never before had the opportunity to own. It's ALL good.
It is, indeed!

nice

cobra_commander · Post by **cobra_commander** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:36 pm

Glad to see CF getting more money and sorry to hear about your brother having to sell some things he really liked

dbostejano · Post by **dbostejano** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:56 pm