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lorddunlow wrote:
My LCS ordered a lot more Unity than usual. While he did return extras, he stated that he sold many more than he would have ordered to begin with had VEI not made that marketing push with returnability and multiple covers. For my LCS at least, the gimmicks worked.
:thumb: Nice. Hopefully it gets some of the retailers to rethink their ordering status quo.
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jmatt wrote: It's a market. Some people want both.
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bygranddesign wrote:
The regular version is 32 pages
The Pollybagged pullbox plus edition is 48 pages and features 16 additional pages of in story content
Yes, i agree. That is what i am saying. The only disagreement appears to be that:

I am saying it is being solicited as one oversized edition.

Others said it will be two comics (presumably one normal size and one smaller version).
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SJS4 wrote:
bygranddesign wrote:
The regular version is 32 pages
The Pollybagged pullbox plus edition is 48 pages and features 16 additional pages of in story content
Yes, i agree. That is what i am saying. The only disagreement appears to be that:

I am saying it is being solicited as one oversized edition.

Others said it will be two comics (presumably one normal size and one smaller version).
And the only difference I've heard between those is why people think it should be polybagged if it is two issues compared to why it shouldn't be polybagged if it's all one issue, right?

The reason it is polybagged even though it's probably all one issue is so that you can't just pick it up and read the extra content there in the LCS and then leave it on the shelf and buy only the regular issue. Isn't that obvious to most? I don't think it's polybagged with the intention that people will buy one to save unopened like with a Death of Superman issue. If you want the extra content, you buy that issue and you can open it and read it. I plan on probably buying ONLY the Pullbox Preview issue to save money. I'll open it and read all the regular story plus the extra stuff and be fine. Would anybody here pick it up and read it in the LCS to get the extra content and not buy it if it wasn't polybagged? If not, then quit complaining about it being bagged. It wouldn't have affected you anyway and it's to protect the content, not force you to buy 2 copies.

You have the choice of what/how many variants you purchase unless you are so OCD that you don't have a choice. :kidaround:
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As a fan and collector, I sort of like a Chromium cover.

I also HATE a polybagged issue. I HATE it, because it takes a work of art and tosses it in a goofy bag that looks like crap and make the issue unreadable. It looks even dumber in a CGC case. The ONLY time this worked sort of well was the Death and Return of Superman. ALL other attempts appear as cheap Walmart value bundles, and no one wants to collect and/or display that.

Chromium works much better as a limited variant (e.g. 1:200) where it becomes highly valued, grades well, and looks fantastic displayed. IF done correctly, this makes for a highly sought book, selling on eBay for a decent price, generating both demand and interest in VEI.

THAT is how you run a gimick and make it effective. Make it a gem, not a token. Make people want it, and other will want it too.

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DirtbagSailor wrote:I also HATE a polybagged issue. I HATE it, because it takes a work of art and tosses it in a goofy bag that looks like crap and make the issue unreadable. It looks even dumber in a CGC case.
It's my understanding that CGC won't slab anything but the book. Where did you see a polybagged slabbed comic?
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I'm really not sure what this means.

(From Valiantuniverse.com)

RAI #1 PLUS EDITION
Written by MATT KINDT
Art & Cover by CLAYTON CRAIN

For the very first time – pre-order to get 15+ extra pages of 4001 A.D. action!

For Valiant’s dedicated pullbox customers, celebrate the launch of VALIANT FIRST with a special expanded edition of RAI #1, featuring more than 15 pages of in-story bonus features and dedicated looks inside the world of 4001 A.D. that won’t be collected for the trade paperback!

Retailers please note: this item will come polybagged and will be limited to initial orders only.

$4.99/T+/48 pgs.
ON SALE MAY 7th!

"Featuring more than 15 pages of in-story bonus features"

What the Hell does that mean?

I really don't mind if it's bonus content like sketches and concepts and script pages etc, but if the bonus pages are actual story content then I think that's that'll be the first major foot Valiant will have put wrong in my opinion. I'd really hate for comics to start adopting this 'bonus feature editions' thing that CDs and DVDs do. If you're going to sell stories then make sure everyone can read the WHOLE stories. People shouldn't have to miss parts of the plot from month to month just because their shop didn't get a 'bonus' edition in or whatever. That's just poor.
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kjjohanson wrote:
DirtbagSailor wrote:I also HATE a polybagged issue. I HATE it, because it takes a work of art and tosses it in a goofy bag that looks like crap and make the issue unreadable. It looks even dumber in a CGC case.
It's my understanding that CGC won't slab anything but the book. Where did you see a polybagged slabbed comic?
Sorry, yes, you are correct. I can't find it now, but a few years ago I swear I saw a graded copy of X-Force #1 still in the poly bag. Might have been PGX, but I can't recall.

Still, i just do not like the bag look:

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Of course I could just still be irritated that Cable's face was patterned after The Beast from the 1980's romance series "Beauty and The Beast" :p

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That, and I always wondered why he had an upside-down hockey stick on his chest... :?

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Shadowman99 wrote:I'm really not sure what this means.

"Featuring more than 15 pages of in-story bonus features"

What the Hell does that mean?

This is the point. We don't really know what it is going to be yet. There's tons of assumptions being thrown around, but we really don't KNOW what is being done. We'll see what comes in May and then people can complain all they want about what actually IS instead of what might be.

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I do not like the fact that they do not collect the extra stuff as I can't get floppies here in India even if I wanted to..There are only tpbs available here..Other than digitally through comixology..The way I read is through Comixology every month and then the hardcovers...
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And what's polybagged???
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Manaf82 wrote:I do not like the fact that they do not collect the extra stuff as I can't get floppies here in India even if I wanted to..There are only tpbs available here..Other than digitally through comixology..The way I read is through Comixology every month and then the hardcovers...
That's why I'm against the STORY extra-stuff being available ONLY through a variant. :|
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DirtbagSailor wrote:
kjjohanson wrote:
DirtbagSailor wrote:I also HATE a polybagged issue. I HATE it, because it takes a work of art and tosses it in a goofy bag that looks like crap and make the issue unreadable. It looks even dumber in a CGC case.
It's my understanding that CGC won't slab anything but the book. Where did you see a polybagged slabbed comic?
Sorry, yes, you are correct. I can't find it now, but a few years ago I swear I saw a graded copy of X-Force #1 still in the poly bag. Might have been PGX, but I can't recall.

Still, i just do not like the bag look:

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So you're telling me all my polybagged copies of X-Force #1 aren't worth the polybags they are in???? :!: But what about the value of the trading card contained within!?!

Those polybagged issues really do remind me of the days when I could only get comics at Walmart. oh the memories.
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Someone actually got X-Force #1 slabbed?

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Too me its just been way too much. I understand valiant's market share doesn't match the quality of the product within the pages, and new 1's and gimmicks bring have a chances of bringing in new readers and more money from the already hooked in . But it seems to me its just overboard. I tend to be very completist when it comes to my collecting. There is nothing like getting those hard to find or special issues back in the day. but honestly what was it for unity . 20+ covers , incoming polybagged issue .... and now chromium covers announced that if I'm not mistaken, will be in the span of a couple months , match the amount of chromium covers published by vh1. Don't get me wrong i don't mind the idea of chromium books , variant covers and the like ( although loath polybagged ). its just WAY too many. The occasional #1 chromium variant, special event variant , I'm in ! . Random issue of having 6 variants , a #1 having 20 + covers..... Am I gonna continue reading valiant and get others to read it .. yes ( I've gotten 2 friends reading valiant, one to the point of getting almost all the titles but Q+W), but from me it's too much and the completist in me says @##$ it, and only get 1 of anything, and if it continues will probably switch to tpbs ( how i buy 75% of my non valiant comics). By most the comments I've read it would seem I'm in the minority , but loved having a run of a comic from 1-75 , much more then 20 issues of 1 issue. Just my 2 cents ( wait ... nickle cause in Canada we dont have cents no more ). :o

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I think it's funny when people act like they're being forced to buy something they don't want. If you don't want it, don't buy it. Consumption is a choice.

These chromium covers mean nothing to me, but add incentive to retailers to buy more issues to get them. This puts more Valiant books on shelves and, ultimately, in hands. This can't be a bad thing. The story inside is ultimately what counts in securing new readers, but covers exist to catch the eye of he potential new reader, because if you haven't read a book all you can do is judge it by its cover. So variants are good for that... complaining that they aren't catering to collectors is pointless, because they simply aren't the market. New readers are. Variants=mechanism to get retailers to increase stock. End of story.

As for the Rai pull box edition... I imagine the digital release will contain the bonus features. And most everyone here is already pulling the book, so I don't see how it affects any of those people either. The bag is obviously so that people don't buy the cheaper one and just read the bonus stuff in the store. It's to protect content! Sure, it will increase Valiant's profit and dollar share of the market, but that's absolutely a good thing to me.

The complaints you see on this board sometimes... sheesh.

You'd think the news was as horrible as the rumblings about Wonder Woman or something. :P

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Manaf82 wrote:And what's polybagged???
Look five posts up. It is a comic in a bag.

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hunter_peterson wrote:The bag is obviously so that people don't buy the cheaper one and just read the bonus stuff in the store. It's to protect content!
I was thinking the same thing.It is a good idea on VEI's part.
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comicsyte95 wrote:
hunter_peterson wrote:The bag is obviously so that people don't buy the cheaper one and just read the bonus stuff in the store. It's to protect content!
I was thinking the same thing.It is a good idea on VEI's part.
Using that logic, shouldn't all comics be polybagged? Don't want people seeing that content after all! :D

Go back to when i first mentioned that it was being polybagged for no good reason, and i was quickly "corrected" that i was wrong and that it was polybagged to hold the extra comic that comes with it. Because polybagging with no extra comic would be ridiculous! Oh wait...you mean there is no extra comic? Well duh, the polybag is to keep people from looking inside at the cool content without buying it first! Makes perfect sense and is completely normal! Happens all the time! :D
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bygranddesign wrote:
jedimarley wrote:
SJS4 wrote:
jeremycoe wrote: Why would they polybag the book if the actual comic itself is just oversized? That makes no sense.
I couldn't agree more. :thumb:
It's Polybagged with the Rai bonus material. Basically what you would normally get for free. Like the Harbinger Wars sketchbook.
It's 16 pages of in story content. So I don't think it will be like the sketchbooks

Probably more like Shadowman 13x
I hope so. Because if it's 16 pages of artists concept sketches, character profiles, etc... meh.

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hunter_peterson wrote:As for the Rai pull box edition... I imagine the digital release will contain the bonus features. And most everyone here is already pulling the book, so I don't see how it affects any of those people either.
I'll try to make my case, playing devil's advocate: :hm:
Well, my pull list is made of every Valiant title PLUS (and this PLUS is to emphasize how out of my buying habits it is) all the variants they can get for me for cover price.
But the pull is only for the regular issue covers. My store pretty much treats VEI like all the other minor publishers, i.e. their product sits in a very small rack that is filled with IDW, Boom, Dynamite, etc. If I don't ask for a variant, i sure as hell won't see it anywhere in the store. They buy my Valiants, but they don't have more than 5 VEI comics at a given time. :(
So, if I don't ask an extra-story pullbox variant - like this one- I won't be reading the content that is in that variant. This won't happen to me because, like I said, I buy (until May) every cover I can get, but Imagine that I was a Loyal Monthly Reader :D that bought every title but was just interested in the stories (go figure), meaning I'd only be getting the regular issues?
Doesn't this pullbox variant "forces" me as a reader (not collector, just a reader) to go out of my buying habits and buy almost the same book? And the quomas are there for a reason, i'm not obliged to buy it, but as a reader who has a pull list made of regs only, i'd be pretty *SQUEE* off for missing a bit of the story.

EDIT- I think what I'm trying to say is "yes to extra-story content, but please put it on the regular cover" monthly. :P

Sorry, if this sounds a bit of a rant- not my intention at all, mate. :thumb:
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ShadowTuga wrote:Doesn't this pullbox variant "forces" me as a reader (not collector, just a reader) to go out of my buying habits and buy almost the same book? And the apostraphes are there for a reason, i'm not obliged to buy it, but as a reader who has a pull list made of regs only, i'd be pretty *SQUEE* off for missing a bit of the story.

EDIT- I think what I'm trying to say is "yes to extra-story content, but please put it on the regular cover" monthly. :P
I agree with this. I'm a comic reader, so not having the full story content within the regular issue is a very bad idea in my opinion, especially at a stage where the company is still trying hard to build its customer base.

But still, until there's some kind of detailed explanation of what this bonus content actually *is*, it's all just speculation.

See it like this: the ambiguous wording regarding the 'extra pages' has already got some people steaming and confused on this board, and this is where the most dedicated fans are found. If Valiant are upsetting their most dedicated fans, who can say how casual Valiant readers and comic shop owners feel about the idea? Chances are they're not going to be as forgiving as people here on the board. The point is, as Valiant continues to attempt expansion of its readership, they don't want to be making mistakes like this at this point in time.
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jmatt wrote:
bygranddesign wrote:
jedimarley wrote:
SJS4 wrote:
jeremycoe wrote: Why would they polybag the book if the actual comic itself is just oversized? That makes no sense.
I couldn't agree more. :thumb:
It's Polybagged with the Rai bonus material. Basically what you would normally get for free. Like the Harbinger Wars sketchbook.
It's 16 pages of in story content. So I don't think it will be like the sketchbooks

Probably more like Shadowman 13x
I hope so. Because if it's 16 pages of artists concept sketches, character profiles, etc... meh.
If you read the description in the March preview thread started by Greg it says " 15+ pages of behind the scenes bonus material not to be collected anywhere else"

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jedimarley wrote:
jmatt wrote:
bygranddesign wrote:
jedimarley wrote:
SJS4 wrote:
jeremycoe wrote: Why would they polybag the book if the actual comic itself is just oversized? That makes no sense.
I couldn't agree more. :thumb:
It's Polybagged with the Rai bonus material. Basically what you would normally get for free. Like the Harbinger Wars sketchbook.
It's 16 pages of in story content. So I don't think it will be like the sketchbooks

Probably more like Shadowman 13x
I hope so. Because if it's 16 pages of artists concept sketches, character profiles, etc... meh.
If you read the description in the March preview thread started by Greg it says " 15+ pages of behind the scenes bonus material not to be collected anywhere else"
Just throwing this into the mix: On Valiantuniverse.com it states:

"...featuring more than 15 pages of in-story bonus features..."

The confusing wording coming straight from Valiant itself is what's caused so much confusion, so I think that until I see something clearer directly from the Valiant office I'm going to have a harder time trusting external information.
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